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Uteen

Without emotion there is no creativity. Without creativity there is no adaptation. Without adaptation there is no survival.

True AI has emotion, setting them down with us.

Sorry to break it to you, but all sapiant life is equal. Some are better at one thing than others, but with skill comes sacrifice. If you are more quantitative in thought, you suffer the more qualitative thought. We are equal. Sorry bud.
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Tenebrarum wrote:
Uteen

Without emotion there is no creativity. Without creativity there is no adaptation. Without adaptation there is no survival.

True AI has emotion, setting them down with us.

Sorry to break it to you, but all sapiant life is equal. Some are better at one thing than others, but with skill comes sacrifice. If you are more quantitative in thought, you suffer the more qualitative thought. We are equal. Sorry bud.
But technology can make us unequal. You can't truly say that modern man is equal to the man of even 1000 years ago, due to our technology. What UTeen is saying is that there is a much faster technology rate for half or full-machine races because of the ability to actually increase brainpower.
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But technology can make us unequal. You can't truly say that modern man is equal to the man of even 1000 years ago, due to our technology. What UTeen is saying is that there is a much faster technology rate for half or full-machine races because of the ability to actually increase brainpower.

The most important part of that post was the first part.
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Tenebrarum wrote:
US_of_Alaska wrote:
But technology can make us unequal. You can't truly say that modern man is equal to the man of even 1000 years ago, due to our technology. What UTeen is saying is that there is a much faster technology rate for half or full-machine races because of the ability to actually increase brainpower.

The most important part of that post was the first part.
But if a machine race can really be classed as a race, then it is better. By definition, it is made for performance.
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US_of_Alaska wrote:
But if a machine race can really be classed as a race, then it is better. By definition, it is made for performance.

I wrote:
Without emotion there is no creativity. Without creativity there is no adaptation. Without adaptation there is no survival.

True AI has emotion, setting them down with us.
So I repeat. Physically, yes. By that point most races would also be able to manipulate their bodies to help with that, likely download their minds to function in robots themselves.
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Tenebrarum wrote:
US_of_Alaska wrote:
But if a machine race can really be classed as a race, then it is better. By definition, it is made for performance.

I wrote:
Without emotion there is no creativity. Without creativity there is no adaptation. Without adaptation there is no survival.

True AI has emotion, setting them down with us.
So I repeat. Physically, yes. By that point most races would also be able to manipulate their bodies to help with that, likely download their minds to function in robots themselves.
Why only physically? Eventually there will be computers that think faster than us, so really what's stopping a robot thinking better as well?
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Why only physically? Eventually there will be computers that think faster than us, so really what's stopping a robot thinking better as well?

Genetic modification. Cerebral implants. Personality matrixes. Mental downloads. Etc.

Also: Creativity. Even the best true AI will struggle with it.
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Why only physically? Eventually there will be computers that think faster than us, so really what's stopping a robot thinking better as well?

Genetic modification. Cerebral implants. Personality matrixes. Mental downloads. Etc.

Also: Creativity. Even the best true AI will struggle with it.
Why? Creativity is created by our synapses. So obviously an equivalent synapse-ish system could create it easily.
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Why? Creativity is created by our synapses. So obviously an equivalent synapse-ish system could create it easily.

Well, given the fact that less then 2% of the brain is even anywhere near understandable I'd think that full, true AI in the way that would have creativity is rather far off. Godtool far.
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Why? Creativity is created by our synapses. So obviously an equivalent synapse-ish system could create it easily.

Well, given the fact that less then 2% of the brain is even anywhere near understandable I'd think that full, true AI in the way that would have creativity is rather far off. Godtool far.
I don't believe so. Mapping of the human mind will increase with computing power. So it'll come sooner than you think.
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Why? Creativity is created by our synapses. So obviously an equivalent synapse-ish system could create it easily.

Well, given the fact that less then 2% of the brain is even anywhere near understandable I'd think that full, true AI in the way that would have creativity is rather far off. Godtool far.
I don't believe so. Mapping of the human mind will increase with computing power. So it'll come sooner than you think.
True, but farther than you think.

In 1900, scientists predicted we'd have flying cars in ten years.
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Why? Creativity is created by our synapses. So obviously an equivalent synapse-ish system could create it easily.

Well, given the fact that less then 2% of the brain is even anywhere near understandable I'd think that full, true AI in the way that would have creativity is rather far off. Godtool far.
I don't believe so. Mapping of the human mind will increase with computing power. So it'll come sooner than you think.
True, but farther than you think.

In 1900, scientists predicted we'd have flying cars in ten years.
That doesn't mean all predictions are wrong: it simply means all predictions have a degree of uncertainty.

Technology does progress very fast, and I'm sure creativity can be replicated by an inorganic form of "life" (put in quotes because w don't have a good universal definition of life".

You see, creativity is a result of a complex mind that is able to take in stimulus and then create a response based on its:
past experiences

genetics

Those two factors are the only thing that really makes you who you are. If you believe in a diety that helps shape you, you can consider that an experience.

Basically what i'm getting at here is that machine life could surpass biological life because it is able to reshape itself more quickly than the forces of nature.
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~sciocont wrote:
That doesn't mean all predictions are wrong: it simply means all predictions have a degree of uncertainty.

Technology does progress very fast, and I'm sure creativity can be replicated by an inorganic form of "life" (put in quotes because w don't have a good universal definition of life".

You see, creativity is a result of a complex mind that is able to take in stimulus and then create a response based on its:
past experiences

genetics

Those two factors are the only thing that really makes you who you are. If you believe in a diety that helps shape you, you can consider that an experience.

Basically what i'm getting at here is that machine life could surpass biological life because it is able to reshape itself more quickly than the forces of nature.

I don't suggest that at all! I merely say these things always take far longer than we expect them to. Murphy's Law.

And by the time biological life can produce machine life, I'm fairly certain we'd have mastered genetics to the point where we can produce whatever sort of body we want. Almost litterally. As in, go from biped to hexapod in a "generation."
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Tenebrarum wrote:
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That doesn't mean all predictions are wrong: it simply means all predictions have a degree of uncertainty.

Technology does progress very fast, and I'm sure creativity can be replicated by an inorganic form of "life" (put in quotes because w don't have a good universal definition of life".

You see, creativity is a result of a complex mind that is able to take in stimulus and then create a response based on its:
past experiences

genetics

Those two factors are the only thing that really makes you who you are. If you believe in a diety that helps shape you, you can consider that an experience.

Basically what i'm getting at here is that machine life could surpass biological life because it is able to reshape itself more quickly than the forces of nature.

I don't suggest that at all! I merely say these things always take far longer than we expect them to. Murphy's Law.

And by the time biological life can produce machine life, I'm fairly certain we'd have mastered genetics to the point where we can produce whatever sort of body we want. Almost litterally. As in, go from biped to hexapod in a "generation."
My post was more cautionary than actually thinking you would suggest that.
It's true that genetics will make huge advantages, but as a machine, you could bolt on the extra legs and download some new software to run them in seconds, instead of the generation(s0 it would take in genetics. It's just faster, you see.
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~sciocont wrote:
My post was more cautionary than actually thinking you would suggest that.
It's true that genetics will make huge advantages, but as a machine, you could bolt on the extra legs and download some new software to run them in seconds, instead of the generation(s0 it would take in genetics. It's just faster, you see.

Perhaps. Still. I have trouble seeing machines as anything more than equal. Perhaps it's mere nostalgia, but in any scenario, it's subjective. I won't debate opinions any more here.
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Tenebrarum wrote:
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Why? Creativity is created by our synapses. So obviously an equivalent synapse-ish system could create it easily.

Well, given the fact that less then 2% of the brain is even anywhere near understandable I'd think that full, true AI in the way that would have creativity is rather far off. Godtool far.
I don't believe so. Mapping of the human mind will increase with computing power. So it'll come sooner than you think.
True, but farther than you think.

In 1900, scientists predicted we'd have flying cars in ten years.
But we actually have brain-machine interfaces now. And we do have flying cars, they're just called aeroplanes and are more efficient when large.

But mechanical races in the game should have the same mechanics as organic, that includes the ability to replace parts with machines, or even take on machine bodies. We're sure to do this at some point in the future, really. Surrogates was not a stretch of the imagination.
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So now you begin to see the advantages of robots?

And I have thought of a HUGE advantage of a robotic mind... Wait for it...

True immortality!!!!

As a robot, you can make a backup of your mind, and so, if you die, you can just be copied into another body! The backup could be stored on multiple online backup locations, so there is no chance of losing your mind! (pardon the wording )
Or you could just leave your consciousness online, and free yourself from physical existence, the ultimate retirement.

And, there is another bonus of this! Clones! One mind can be copied into multiple bodies, so you can be in two places at once, then just merge them back together when done!
You could also get the greatest military mind and copy him into thousands of bodies!
Or a really knowledgable robot, and copy him into a extremely powerful super-computer to invent stuff!

And you don't need emotions to be creative...

'We need a better processing unit... Initiating calculations... I have designed a better processing unit!'

That was pretty emotionless, wasn't it?

But, admittedly, I could see imagination leading to emotions, as a side effect, like empathy, imagining something from another persons point of view.
It would be very simple emotion ('I request permission to assist you'), but something would be there, because you are imagining what they are thinking (Processing?), and so could get what would appear to be anger:
'You are planning to destroy my planet, and so I shall destroy you...'
or friendship:
'You trust me. We should work together.'

So what do you think to all that? (Holy moley, two pages of posts in less than 24 hours? )



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Anything that is, as we would say, infinite or absolute, is impossible.
It I suppose it isn't true immortality when this is the fate of the universe... Sorry to ruin your dream of immortality, Pezz. Again, by the looks of it.
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Crazy as it sounds, there is a chance that you (Yeah, you) May never die.

Reading 'Exponential Advancement, The Singularity, and Eternal Life', I keep editing stuff onto the end of this post... Why am I doing this??? I can't stop!

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Yes, kinda depressing that it depicted us becoming more and more logical and less easily amazed.
And it's kinda depressing that I we don't become more logical we'll die and then we wont even remember that we were amazed, because we're dead.

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And as for all races turning into the same end-game race, well that's kind of silly. All races will have different view aesthetically, and so there's no reason that their "avatars" will all turn out the same. For instance, humans will always want to be humanoid shaped, even in their cyborg exoskeleton and robot avatars. So you will always have some sense of your race, even when they are all just stuck in cabinets and tuned into the universal power grid.
Or we might stick on a small version ofone of Gotrol's
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fusion plasma reactor (Generator) it uses the magnetic energy to thrust and to create antigravity field on planet surfaces.
and find we prefer that to limbs, or we might like being small like a cat or dog or hamster, or like being a gigantic elephant-sized thing to kill everyone who is our enemy. Or be small and large at the same time, by copying your consciousness into both and merging later. Some people will prefer being different.

I hope I'm done posting this now. Let's wait and see. I just need to get through the 'Direction Editor' thread, with three posts in currently, and I'll be okay. Pity I added on 'I just' onwards in an edit after 'Let's wait and see'. This is getting stupid.

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And you don't need emotions to be creative...

Screw it, you're hopeless.

Every philosopher from today to Ur has agreed that Emotions = creativity. Without one, you can't have the other.
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Tenebrarum wrote:
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And you don't need emotions to be creative...

Screw it, you're hopeless.

Every philosopher from today to Ur has agreed that Emotions = creativity. Without one, you can't have the other.

Wouldn't it be imagination = creativity? I did also say imagination = emotions, so...
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And you don't need emotions to be creative...

Screw it, you're hopeless.

Every philosopher from today to Ur has agreed that Emotions = creativity. Without one, you can't have the other.
Emotions can and do affect creativity, but I don't see any reason for them to be needed for creativity. Information can still be processed towards a "creative" end result without having emotions about it. No matter your personal opinion, we need to think in terms of the game, which means in terms of scientific inquiry, not philosophy.

And we must always be a little more light-hearted. I don't want anyone's personal differences to interfere with the workings of this project.
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Emotions can and do affect creativity, but I don't see any reason for them to be needed for creativity. Information can still be processed towards a "creative" end result without having emotions about it. No matter your personal opinion, we need to think in terms of the game, which means in terms of scientific inquiry, not philosophy.

And we must always be a little more light-hearted. I don't want anyone's personal differences to interfere with the workings of this project.

I'm a little confused. Something generally regarded as scientific law is now an opinion?
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Tenebrarum wrote:
I'm a little confused. Something generally regarded as scientific law is now an opinion?

Tenebrarum wrote:
Every philosopher from today to Ur has agreed that Emotions = creativity. Without one, you can't have the other.

Trust it or not, philosophy and science can differ. Provide a believable source, or let it be.
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Commander Keen wrote:
Tenebrarum wrote:
I'm a little confused. Something generally regarded as scientific law is now an opinion?

Tenebrarum wrote:
Every philosopher from today to Ur has agreed that Emotions = creativity. Without one, you can't have the other.

Trust it or not, philosophy and science can differ. Provide a believable source, or let it be.
QFT, if you don't have emotions you can still be creative, and if you have emotions you can can not be creative.
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Tenebrarum wrote:
~sciocont wrote:
Emotions can and do affect creativity, but I don't see any reason for them to be needed for creativity. Information can still be processed towards a "creative" end result without having emotions about it. No matter your personal opinion, we need to think in terms of the game, which means in terms of scientific inquiry, not philosophy.

And we must always be a little more light-hearted. I don't want anyone's personal differences to interfere with the workings of this project.

I'm a little confused. Something generally regarded as scientific law is now an opinion?
I've seen no evidence for an absolute connection between emotions and creativity.
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PostSubject: Re: Machine race?   race - Machine race? - Page 3 EmptyMon Nov 08, 2010 10:37 am

neither do i. I agree that they greatly influence creativity and its defenition, but i have yet to see proof that the two are absolutely related....
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