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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bigs And Questions That Don't Deserver Their Own Thread Thread   Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:52 pm

Apologies for sounding like an idiot and for starting a thread that was thankfully destroyed, but I will try to post my question here: What types of abilities will be available to the player's organism, and how will they recieve them? If this question has already been answered, please disregard this post.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:46 am

First I want to congratulate all those who are working in this wonderful project
I have some questions:

1) I have already asked Sciocont, but I'd like to know more or less when the game will be ready ... from 1 to 3 years, from 3 years to 5 or 5 and up. vaguely

2) If the game is not online, there is the possibility to meet after a couple of games, still the same creatures? A bit like going to those who had the original Spore not so random without updating all the creatures on the Sporepedia?

3) How many people are actually working on the project?

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:28 pm

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Apologies for sounding like an idiot and for starting a thread that was thankfully destroyed, but I will try to post my question here: What types of abilities will be available to the player's organism, and how will they recieve them? If this question has already been answered, please disregard this post.
You can read about the structure of organisms in the game in the Organism Editor Current Concept
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First I want to congratulate all those who are working in this wonderful project
I have some questions:

1) I have already asked Sciocont, but I'd like to know more or less when the game will be ready ... from 1 to 3 years, from 3 years to 5 or 5 and up. vaguely

2) If the game is not online, there is the possibility to meet after a couple of games, still the same creatures? A bit like going to those who had the original Spore not so random without updating all the creatures on the Sporepedia?

3) How many people are actually working on the project?
1) The game will never really be "done" since we want to continuously add to it over time. After an initial release (hopefully we'll ave a playable cell stage within the year) we will release patches whenever we have something new to show.
2) In the game, content can be managed through the Thrive Content Library. Read more about content sharing here.
3) About a dozen members here are veterans of the project who have been around long enough to know their way about the thing quite well. We have two people coding right now, one working linux, the other working windows. They are making progress on planets and cell stage, respectively.

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:42 pm

I have a question about difficulty in general.

Will selecting a higher difficulty make the planet a less suitable environment, or will it make it so your creature won't be able to evolve very far?
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:00 pm

PTFace wrote:
I have a question about difficulty in general.

Will selecting a higher difficulty make the planet a less suitable environment, or will it make it so your creature won't be able to evolve very far?
I don't know if we'll have a difficulty setting- we haven't discussed it much.

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bigs And Questions That Don't Deserver Their Own Thread Thread   Sat May 05, 2012 5:43 pm

Please forgive me for sounding like a Belgiumhead, but I take it that everybody can't use Spore made items as a base to create something more realistic? I mean, not in a literal sense like importing models, but using Spore creations as an inspiration to create lifelike things like plants, cells, organisms etc.

EDIT: Also, is it okay to revive old topics? The reason I am asking is because I looked at the concept art thread, and I have some ideas for organisms, but I don't know how or where to put them.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sat May 05, 2012 7:19 pm

First I have to say that I am really excited with Thrive, the last 48 hours have been amazing. I don't feel like this since I saw spore when i was 12.
I think all of you really nice and I know you guys know what you are doing. So here comes my questions.

-Wich are the priorities? (By the look of it, it looks like cell stage)

-When do most people go online? (I was here all day)

-How much progress in code do the cell stage have and how I can help? ( I have some training in 3D Studio Max, i can model some things that Alaska, i think, did with those cells)
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sat May 05, 2012 7:52 pm

Theusfilipe wrote:
First I have to say that I am really excited with Thrive, the last 48 hours have been amazing. I don't feel like this since I saw spore when i was 12.
I think all of you really nice and I know you guys know what you are doing. So here comes my questions.

-Wich are the priorities? (By the look of it, it looks like cell stage)

-When do most people go online? (I was here all day)

-How much progress in code do the cell stage have and how I can help? ( I have some training in 3D Studio Max, i can model some things that Alaska, i think, did with those cells)

You've caught us in the middle of our yearly "finals are coming, help!" slump, so there's not as many people here as usual. We don't have a set time of day other than whenever people have time - last I checked, we had someone in at least four out of six inhabited continents. It's usually more of productive weeks and off weeks, to be honest.
Current projects are, so far as I know, finally finishing cell stage, as well as our long-running conceptual stuff such as xenobiomes, which are welcome whenever. (Yeah, I'm pushing my own project, other people feel free to chime in with theirs.)
Somebody please fill this guy in, I missed the last progress report for cell.

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Please forgive me for sounding like a Belgiumhead, but I take it that everybody can't use Spore made items as a base to create something more realistic? I mean, not in a literal sense like importing models, but using Spore creations as an inspiration to create lifelike things like plants, cells, organisms etc.

EDIT: Also, is it okay to revive old topics? The reason I am asking is because I looked at the concept art thread, and I have some ideas for organisms, but I don't know how or where to put them.

This mod gives you permission to revive the concept art thread, no matter how necro it is. That's a thread that it makes sense to keep reviving.

I'm semi-confused on the original post, so I'm going to say that the amount of spore inspiration is more in the concept level than in the actual modeling. We've had a "realism in evolution" policy since before my time, and while the inspriration for the game was 'add science to spore!' we've come a long way. Due to the way the OE works, we're definitely not basing creatures on ones in spore... let me hunt you up the procedural evolution thread to give you a better sense of how plants and cells and stuff will work. (If somebody who was actually around during Svenolutions could explain this better, I will gift them an internet.)


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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sat May 05, 2012 7:55 pm

Many thanks to you!
Also, what I meant was simply selecting spore creatures, and remaking them to be hyper-realistic for Thrive. For example, take my spore page and look at all these ugly motherbelgiums.
Would it be possible to make Thrive-y versions of these animals realistically?
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sat May 05, 2012 9:50 pm

Lost Time32 wrote:
Many thanks to you!
Also, what I meant was simply selecting spore creatures, and remaking them to be hyper-realistic for Thrive. For example, take my spore page and look at all these ugly motherbelgiums.
Would it be possible to make Thrive-y versions of these animals realistically?

It can be possible, but considering the world shapes your organism you might end up trying to create a dinosaur and end up with a jellyfish because of the planet.

Also, Calligrapher, have you thought of the idea of migratory trees as a sub-biome?
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Sun May 06, 2012 1:46 pm

Hurons!

Erm... that brings us back to an excellent question about whether or not photosynthesizing macroorganisms acutally need to be sessile...
Long story short, migratory trees, not as such, but tree equivalents, possibly. However, I'm still not certain if they would be biomes because biomes are determined by location. Migratory plants as a wandering resource or playable species I'm all for.

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Mon May 07, 2012 8:49 pm

Also will it be possible to become sentient as a superorganism like a huge whale?

Also will we be able to domesticate other species for hunting, war . etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Tue May 08, 2012 5:08 pm

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Also will it be possible to become sentient as a superorganism like a huge whale?

Also will we be able to domesticate other species for hunting, war . etc.

A) As a whale, sentient yes, civilized no. (Given that our definition of civ here is tools.) Not much bigger than a whale is going to survive.

b) Yep. Domesticated animals are somewhere in Alaska's massive tech tree.

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Tue May 08, 2012 6:30 pm

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PTFace wrote:
Also will it be possible to become sentient as a superorganism like a huge whale?

Also will we be able to domesticate other species for hunting, war . etc.

A) As a whale, sentient yes, civilized no. (Given that our definition of civ here is tools.) Not much bigger than a whale is going to survive.

b) Yep. Domesticated animals are somewhere in Alaska's massive tech tree.

But will you be able to use these animals as mounts for a bipedal species?
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Tue May 08, 2012 10:37 pm

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Mysterious_Calligrapher wrote:
PTFace wrote:
Also will it be possible to become sentient as a superorganism like a huge whale?

Also will we be able to domesticate other species for hunting, war . etc.

A) As a whale, sentient yes, civilized no. (Given that our definition of civ here is tools.) Not much bigger than a whale is going to survive.

b) Yep. Domesticated animals are somewhere in Alaska's massive tech tree.

But will you be able to use these animals as mounts for a bipedal species?
Yes, you can do that. You simply need a domestication technology, which would include possible mounting, which you would have to rig and designate using mannequins in the TE.

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Tue May 08, 2012 11:06 pm

will there be momentum based mounted combat like in mount and blade?
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Wed May 09, 2012 9:25 am

PTFace wrote:
will there be momentum based mounted combat like in mount and blade?
could you explain what is meant by that?

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Wed May 09, 2012 9:28 am

~sciocont wrote:
PTFace wrote:
will there be momentum based mounted combat like in mount and blade?
could you explain what is meant by that?
He propably means that you run into them hell-a fast with something sharp while riding a mounted creature.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Wed May 09, 2012 4:58 pm

~sciocont wrote:
PTFace wrote:
will there be momentum based mounted combat like in mount and blade?
could you explain what is meant by that?

Basically the faster you are going on a horse the harder your weapon will hit and the reverse
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Wed May 09, 2012 7:53 pm

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PTFace wrote:
will there be momentum based mounted combat like in mount and blade?
could you explain what is meant by that?

Basically the faster you are going on a horse the harder your weapon will hit and the reverse
Hopefully, but it's largely dependant on how complex we're able to make our damage model. If all goes as planned, the damage model will actually get more complex on smaller scales and less complex on larger ones, allowing tactical battles that scale to allow for smooth running.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Wed May 09, 2012 10:37 pm

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PTFace wrote:
will there be momentum based mounted combat like in mount and blade?
could you explain what is meant by that?

Basically the faster you are going on a horse the harder your weapon will hit and the reverse
Hopefully, but it's largely dependant on how complex we're able to make our damage model. If all goes as planned, the damage model will actually get more complex on smaller scales and less complex on larger ones, allowing tactical battles that scale to allow for smooth running.
Yeah, we had in depth discussions on damage LOD a while back and we agreed that zooming in would require a lot of arbitrary mechanics deciding what parts were damaged of the specific things that were damaged. As for the specific example, we can probably make it so that that happens- we need only calculate momentum and multiply it by a constant for the damage dealt by the blade at a constant momentum, probably 1 m/s.

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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Thu May 10, 2012 11:23 am

So, I had an idea of mine. Well, not so much of an idea, but a little expension to the whole "Plant/Fungus" gameplay.
The topic of my post is the Fungus gameplay, mainly. I know there is a plant gameplay thread already, so, I'm not going into that, since mushrooms are not plants, they are fungus.

So, this could or could not be a long post, so, it's going into the spoiler bars if needed:

The basics of fungus play:
Well, basically, fungus doesn't work like plants do. Plants want to survive, fungus infects (you know, sort of). Fungus in general evolved in a few ways : poisonous, organism helping, organism infecting, overgrowing, but all of these can be smushed up together. I'm gonna write them out on their own.

The first way to evolve:
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The second way to evolve:
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The third way to evolve:
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The fourth way to evolve:
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I am thankful for your reading, you can post your thoughts on this and what not.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Thu May 10, 2012 12:21 pm

That sounds awesome hegataro, i especially like the sound of the brain fungus But don't they already have a way for evolution to take place?
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Thu May 10, 2012 12:22 pm

Eh, sure, but, you know. Just ideas popping out of my brain... fungus.
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PostSubject: Re: Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread   Thu May 10, 2012 1:27 pm

Haha still a good idea
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