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PostSubject: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:12 pm

Here are a few suggestions I have for Thrive.

1. Mixotrophs, Mixotrophs are organisms that can use more than one source of energy. For example, Euglena is a mixotroph that can photosynthesize and feed on other organisms. So because of the many ways organisms can obtain energy, mixotrophs could be able to use all of those ways. Multicelluar organisms should be able to be mixotrophs too.

2. Plants with different colors should be able to absorb different amounts of light. For example, black plants absorb all light.

3. Cold blooded organisms and warm blooded organisms. Cold blood organisms get their heat from outside sources, while warm blooded organisms make their own heat.

4. Different types of blood, such as cobalt based, copper based, silver based, iron based, etc.

5. Poison and venom.

6. Different chemistries of life, such as silicon based life. I am not saying life without water. However I am saying possibly life without oxygen, such as life breathing different gases. If silicon based life breathed oxygen, it's lungs would fill up with silicon dioxide and die.

7. Other galaxies?

These are all of my ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:31 pm

I know some of these have already been discussed.

1. I haven't seen discussed, but it's a good idea I'm sure it could work.

2. I think we're having the plant color based off what type of star the planet is in orbit of. For example, red dwarfs have planets with black plants. Black plants wouldn't work in a system like Earth's because they'd absorb too much light, overheat, and dehydrate themselves. Red dwarfs don't give off as much light, meaning black plants can survive.

3. I actually haven't seen it here, but I'm pretty much positive that everyone thinks we should have it. It's just that there isn't much to discuss about it since the concept is so simple.

4. Not sure if that's been discussed

5. Already discussed and will be included

6. I think we're just sticking with carbon based life forms for right now, since that's the only example of life that we know. I know we're sticking with just life that needs water.

7. From what I've read, no, we're not including that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we're not even having a galaxy like the one in Spore, where there's thousands of systems, mainly because of memory usage. Our planets will be way bigger than Spore ones (over 300X in land area), so we'll have only around 200 systems. And what's the point of other galaxies? There's pretty much no difference, it's just stars that are in different groups.

Again, if any of this is wrong, someone correct me.


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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:08 pm

Hey there!

Seeing as you're new, you should probably introduce yourself in a welcome thread.

A lot of what you're saying has already been discussed. Perhaps you should look around a bit more before posting. Just make sure there's no redundancy.

Anyways.

1. We're trying to keep Thrive simple and unified. Generally, nothing gets included unless it remains significant later in the game. While Mixotrophes are interesting, they might complicate the game unnecessarily. I know I want them in, but right now our evolution system doesn't seem to account for them, and we want to make sure things stay doable.

2. Discussed and will be included. Plant color is designed to balance absorbtion while avoiding overheat. It will be had coded into star color.

3. Undiscussed but pretty universally assumed.

4. Included in the OE's circulatory system options. Different types improve circulatory efficiency.

5. Included in the OE.

6. NO. We have no examples. We are struggling to simulate carbon based life as it is. The rule is, if you can come up with a doable system here, feel free, because no one else has and we certainly haven't.

7. Not enough memory space. Don't worry, there will be plenty of room to explore.
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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:28 pm

tklarenb wrote:
I know some of these have already been discussed.

1. I haven't seen discussed, but it's a good idea I'm sure it could work.

2. I think we're having the plant color based off what type of star the planet is in orbit of. For example, red dwarfs have planets with black plants. Black plants wouldn't work in a system like Earth's because they'd absorb too much light, overheat, and dehydrate themselves. Red dwarfs don't give off as much light, meaning black plants can survive.

3. I actually haven't seen it here, but I'm pretty much positive that everyone thinks we should have it. It's just that there isn't much to discuss about it since the concept is so simple.

4. Not sure if that's been discussed

5. Already discussed and will be included

6. I think we're just sticking with carbon based life forms for right now, since that's the only example of life that we know. I know we're sticking with just life that needs water.

7. From what I've read, no, we're not including that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we're not even having a galaxy like the one in Spore, where there's thousands of systems, mainly because of memory usage. Our planets will be way bigger than Spore ones (over 300X in land area), so we'll have only around 200 systems. And what's the point of other galaxies? There's pretty much no difference, it's just stars that are in different groups.

Again, if any of this is wrong, someone correct me.



They discovered an organism that can use arsenic in place of phosphorous.
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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:11 pm

This has all been covered by the other two quite well, but I'll chime in.
Mixotroph wrote:
Here are a few suggestions I have for Thrive.

1. check It's definitely possible, although on larger scales than the euglena, i'm not sure that being photosynthetic would be benefivcial

2. check

3. check

4. check

5. check

6. Nope, they won't matter too much in terms of evolution, and people will get angry at us. Not including them.

7. Nope, Chuck Testa

These are all of my ideas.

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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:43 pm

Also, here are a few more ideas:

A galactic adventures like editor that you unlock later on

If alternative chemistries are added, you should be able to pick what you are made of, and a screen that will say what conditions you could survive in will pop up, no nothing rediculous like being made of francium, you could only use few alternative chemistries. You could replace phosphorous with arsenic like one organism. There is a snail with an iron sulfide shell. Rubidium could replace potassium, if you eat it your body treats it as potassium. And what about carbon based alternatives to hydrocarbons? Boron could replace carbon in certain conditions, it explodes in our atmosphere. On wikipedia there's a link all about different alternative biochemistries, but because I'm new I can't post the link. If they could figure out how to do it I'd like to play as life on a titan like world.

You should be able to choose the composition of your planet. For example, under the right conditions you could make a planet where it rains alot and all of the water is stored in the clouds and small puddles. However on the planet there MUST be a solvent, such as water or ammonia.

A thrivepedia, like the sporepedia except for spore creatures, they could be stored on a server.

Non planetary life, not talking about large multicelluar organisms in space, talking about like small colonies of bacteria like organisms floating around on asteroids in space. Maybe if one of these hit a planet with the right conditions, they could evolve into more complex organisms, or if there is already life they could outcompete the native life. Maybe space parasites could be dormant in an asteroid somewhere, and when they hit a planet they could wreck havoc on native life.

Parasites and being able to play as a parasite.

Being able to develop your own written and spoken language.

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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:47 pm

Mixotroph wrote:
Also, here are a few more ideas:

A galactic adventures like editor that you unlock later on

If alternative chemistries are added, you should be able to pick what you are made of, and a screen that will say what conditions you could survive in will pop up, no nothing rediculous like being made of francium, you could only use few alternative chemistries. You could replace phosphorous with arsenic like one organism. There is a snail with an iron sulfide shell. Rubidium could replace potassium, if you eat it your body treats it as potassium. And what about carbon based alternatives to hydrocarbons? Boron could replace carbon in certain conditions, it explodes in our atmosphere. On wikipedia there's a link all about different alternative biochemistries, but because I'm new I can't post the link. If they could figure out how to do it I'd like to play as life on a titan like world.

You should be able to choose the composition of your planet. For example, under the right conditions you could make a planet where it rains alot and all of the water is stored in the clouds and small puddles. However on the planet there MUST be a solvent, such as water or ammonia.

A thrivepedia, like the sporepedia except for spore creatures, they could be stored on a server.

Non planetary life, not talking about large multicelluar organisms in space, talking about like small colonies of bacteria like organisms floating around on asteroids in space. Maybe if one of these hit a planet with the right conditions, they could evolve into more complex organisms, or if there is already life they could outcompete the native life. Maybe space parasites could be dormant in an asteroid somewhere, and when they hit a planet they could wreck havoc on native life.

Parasites and being able to play as a parasite.

Being able to develop your own written and spoken language.

Cryovolcanos
You really should read around the forum and the wiki. Half of these have already been discussed, and the other half won't even work with our current idea.

Remember, this is not a ramped up version of Spore. Thrive's overall theme is similar to Spore, but it's quite different. So no to the galactic adventures and thrivepedia. We're not trying to copy Spore.

I think instead of just coming up with random ideas like this you should help develop some of the ideas that are already out there. Later, once you know what's going on, you can start putting out ideas on certain aspects that you feel are missing and should be included. For example, when I first joined, I helped out in the biomes thread, and only later did I start contributing ideas such as plant gameplay.
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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:16 pm

Listen to tklarenb

But I'll answer this anyway.

1- we don't really care
2- no alternative chemistry
3- we have a planet editor
4- we have one, it's the TCL
5- we decided it would be more trouble than it's worth
6- yes
7- to some extent, yes. We have discussed his A LOT. Rex really wants this to be extremely complex, but we will have to cut a lot of corners.
8- yes

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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:13 pm

~sciocont wrote:
Listen to tklarenb

But I'll answer this anyway.

1- we don't really care
2- no alternative chemistry
3- we have a planet editor
4- we have one, it's the TCL
5- we decided it would be more trouble than it's worth
6- yes
7- to some extent, yes. We have discussed his A LOT. Rex really wants this to be extremely complex, but we will have to cut a lot of corners.
8- yes

If these ideas have been discussed before I will explode.

1. Extremophiles. Allow multicelluar extremophiles too, water bears are a multicelluar extremophile.
2. Fungi should be able to attack microscopic animals, there is a fungus that attacks nematodes. Look up on youtube "Nematode lassoed by a fungi".
3. Milk and milk like substances to feed babies.
4. Mixotroph combinations other than photosynthesis and feeding on other organisms. Yes photosynthetic animals would be useful, they can get more energy during the day and feed on other organisms at night. Possible are alternations between photo- and chemotrophy, between litho- and organotrophy, between auto- and heterotrophy or a combination of it. Mixotrophs can be either eukaryotic or prokaryotic. (this part taken from wikipedia)
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PostSubject: Re: A bunch of suggestions   Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:03 pm

Mixotroph wrote:
~sciocont wrote:
Listen to tklarenb

But I'll answer this anyway.

1- we don't really care
2- no alternative chemistry
3- we have a planet editor
4- we have one, it's the TCL
5- we decided it would be more trouble than it's worth
6- yes
7- to some extent, yes. We have discussed his A LOT. Rex really wants this to be extremely complex, but we will have to cut a lot of corners.
8- yes

If these ideas have been discussed before I will explode.

1. Extremophiles. Allow multicelluar extremophiles too, water bears are a multicelluar extremophile.
2. Fungi should be able to attack microscopic animals, there is a fungus that attacks nematodes. Look up on youtube "Nematode lassoed by a fungi".
3. Milk and milk like substances to feed babies.
4. Mixotroph combinations other than photosynthesis and feeding on other organisms. Yes photosynthetic animals would be useful, they can get more energy during the day and feed on other organisms at night. Possible are alternations between photo- and chemotrophy, between litho- and organotrophy, between auto- and heterotrophy or a combination of it. Mixotrophs can be either eukaryotic or prokaryotic. (this part taken from wikipedia)
Okay, perhaps you didn't really understand what I said earlier. Stop just putting random ideas out like this without looking to make sure it hasn't been discussed. And you can go ahead and explode, because I know some of these have been discussed.
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