Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread

Since neither of those are found in LAWK, the burden of proof is on demonstrating how such a body part would work, and how it would be beneficial to the organism in all its stages of development in evolution prior to it being fully formed.

Transforming robots will not be possible because it would require turning the TE into a full physics/architecture simulator, which it won't be.

The second thing wasn't very important, so okay.

How it evolves and is important, hmm, that's tough.

I would say bone ammo can be scrapped since that seems very unlikely and possibly damaging to the creature.

The purpose is rather specialized, since it is meant to be a bit more powerful in range than conventional mouth spraying techniques, and more damage since it uses globs that vary in size based on the size of the orifice and the limb.

Maybe it could be evolved as an improvement on spraying venom/acid from an orifice on the body. The extension ("Barrel") increases the range and accuracy.

It could only be a certain length, about 1 to 1.2 meters maybe as a base. The extension of range and power would just be arbitrary and scaled to the size. Evolutions would just be longer and longer extensions from the base orifice until it reaches the desired length.

How it works: The Gland is producing the desired substance and its destination is a Bladder in the body that is being used for spraying the substance. It has short range, and the goal is to make it longer as well as make the attack more powerful. As this extension, whether it is a Wormacle or Invertebrate Limb, grows the attack will gain range and become more accurate at closer ranges.

The range of motion of the joint would not be large, this is not intended to be some kind of uber-attack, about 15 degrees from side to side and same for up and down from the direction it is facing in. The default facing is determined just like the rest of default things about a creature.

As you can see, this is definitely an ability specialized for the Aware Stage. Constructive criticism is very much welcomed. You could say I thrive on it.

EDIT: Is it just me, or do we seem to be butting heads a bit rather recently Nick?

Immortal_Dragon wrote:

It could only be a certain length, about 1 to 1.2 meters maybe as a base.

That seems to me like a very large body part that wouldn't pay itself off with what it would accomplish, assuming a medium sized organism. I would imagine that natural selection would at most create a small poison/spraying gland that would be located at the mouth or the end of a limb or tail.

Immortal_Dragon wrote:

How it works: The Gland is producing the desired substance and its destination is a Bladder in the body that is being used for spraying the substance. It has short range, and the goal is to make it longer as well as make the attack more powerful. As this extension, whether it is a Wormacle or Invertebrate Limb, grows the attack will gain range and become more accurate at closer ranges.

Okay so it would work using the tube and node system, so that would be possible.

Immortal_Dragon wrote:

EDIT: Is it just me, or do we seem to be butting heads a bit rather recently Nick?

Butting heads? I didn't realize we were arguing?

No, that's just me, it was very late when I made that edit and my mental faculties were not at their best.

Anyway; the size of it is supposed to be scalable for the creature using it. :scratch: So that length could be used for say a midlarge or large organism. The creatures I did have in mind using this were rather large.

I had the tube and node system in mind when I thought about it, so thanks.

EDIT: Small question, why does the site show when there is a bot viewing the forum?

EDIT the 2nd: Now that I think about it, there are going to be things that the future players will develop in their creatures that we haven't thought of. (That was more of a statement I wanted to add at the end. I just kind of feel philosophical.)

You know what would be intresting?

How about if ever species/planet has a chance to have an anomalous effect or entity related to it that could either help or hinder the species. Something in the form of a thing like SCP-173, slenderman, etc.

Okay, I'll answer this.

Stuff like that, if it were to exist in Thrive, would most likely be only Easter eggs, which won't be implemented until the full game is created.

I feel like I can't contribute anything useful to the project.

Um... Well, if you can play as a plant, is something like sentient plants possible?
I'm thinking along the lines of Sylvari or that one alien from doctor who.

Oh, and if a species could have bodies made of stone or something, that would be cool too.

But mainly sentient plants.

Nonsense, this project is still a long way off from completion, still plenty of time to contribute something useful.

Sentient plant, wouldn't that require a brain? A plant/animal hybrid is possible in theory with the OE I think, so could a hybrid that is mostly plant satisfy this?

A species with stone armor, how about producing an adhesive with glands on the skin and it rolls around or attaches the rock to itself?

There is a crab that uses rocks as defense and camouflage so is factible.

Would it be possible to have diseases (or possibly be a bacterium that creates diseases) that would effect other species as well as your own?

Or is this the whole compound system?

Jeklig wrote:

Would it be possible to have diseases (or possibly be a bacterium that creates diseases) that would effect other species as well as your own?

Or is this the whole compound system?

I we are going to have that stuff to, actually.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I have not been plotting to use Thrive for my own uses. It's just that I've found a way for both my book and Thrive to mutually gain from each other. I am legitimately helping Thrive because I want to see it succeed, and I'm not leaving anytime soon.

Dear Thrive Development Team,

I have a confession to make - I have been using you for my own nefarious purposes.

This only really occurred to me a few months ago, but thanks to Thrive there is now a huge number of people at my fingertips I can easily share things with. I've already begun my intra-Thrive promotion campaign, mostly via the Skype team leads development discussion and my YouTube channel, which as a result of my Thrive compositions now has over 250 subscribers. What is it I'm using Thrive for, you ask?

This: http://www.lulu.com/shop/oliver-lugg/clocks/paperback/product-21187624.html

I've mentioned a couple of times every now and then that I write novels in my spare time, and my latest literary outing, Clocks, was self-published just over a month ago. You can read the preview on the page I linked if you're not sure, and if you don't want to spend £12 (or whatever the equivalent is in your chosen currency) on a book you have no idea of the quality of, the link to the eBook is at the bottom right of the page. Only earlier today, I received a notification to say that the eBook passed primary review and will be on both the iBookstore and Barnes and Noble NOOK store within 2 to 4 weeks.

HOWEVER, I'd feel terrible if this was all I said and I really was using everyone for my own nefarious purposes. So here's what I'm doing in return:

Let's face it, this project needs another traffic spike if we're ever going to reach the goal of releasing the microbe stage by the end of the year (and even that might not be enough to get it out in such little time). The Reddit boom in March massively increased the team's output for the next few months, but since then it's died down a little. And yet, if we go around advertising Thrive, many people will see that all we really have are a few early releases and prototypes after 4 years of on-and-off development. Not that these aren't huge milestones and brilliantly programmed, but many people's expectations would drop hugely and they'll view Thrive as a lost cause. One possible solution would be to advertise Thrive through my book. I now have my own website - http://oliverlugg.com/ if you're interested - to promote my book, but I've also added a link and information about Thrive to the front page. Therefore, anyone I link to my book will also see the link to the Thrive website - advertising for Thrive without any actual advertising for Thrive. To incite said traffic spike, I plan to run a large promotion campaign: posters around my school, submitting Clocks to BiDiPi on Vsauce2 and even posting on my favourite author's website, which I found the other day and discovered that his fan base is large enough for a traffic spike, but small enough that he has the opportunity to reply to pretty much every comment on his website. I'm sure I'll think up other ways as well, and once one is successful, word of mouth will also spread Clocks' popularity, and Thrive's with it.

You may argue that this retains the same problems as before, but since people will start following me on my website, they'll see all the updates I post for Thrive whether they hold any hope for it or not. And eventually, WE WILL RELEASE THE MICROBE STAGE. At that point and all major milestones in between, anyone following the progress of my book will also see how much Thrive has come along.

One other thing my book will bring to the project is money. I'm just as against hiring professional programmers as anybody here, but the point was recently raised in the Skype team leads discussion (inadvertently by myself) that we'll need a proper Thrive server which everyone, not just me, can contribute to. I plan to use some of the money I make from book sales to pay for the new server.

So, in conclusion, I am using you for my own nefarious purposes, but Thrive is also using me for its own nefarious purposes.

Oh, and please buy my book. I don't really want to stress this point but I suppose it's what this whole post is about.

Oliveriver wrote:

Dear Thrive Development Team,

I have a confession to make - I have been using you for my own nefarious purposes.

This only really occurred to me a few months ago, but thanks to Thrive there is now a huge number of people at my fingertips I can easily share things with. I've already begun my intra-Thrive promotion campaign, mostly via the Skype team leads development discussion and my YouTube channel, which as a result of my Thrive compositions now has over 250 subscribers. What is it I'm using Thrive for, you ask?

This: http://www.lulu.com/shop/oliver-lugg/clocks/paperback/product-21187624.html

I've mentioned a couple of times every now and then that I write novels in my spare time, and my latest literary outing, Clocks, was self-published just over a month ago. You can read the preview on the page I linked if you're not sure, and if you don't want to spend £12 (or whatever the equivalent is in your chosen currency) on a book you have no idea of the quality of, the link to the eBook is at the bottom right of the page. Only earlier today, I received a notification to say that the eBook passed primary review and will be on both the iBookstore and Barnes and Noble NOOK store within 2 to 4 weeks.

HOWEVER, I'd feel terrible if this was all I said and I really was using everyone for my own nefarious purposes. So here's what I'm doing in return:

Let's face it, this project needs another traffic spike if we're ever going to reach the goal of releasing the microbe stage by the end of the year (and even that might not be enough to get it out in such little time). The Reddit boom in March massively increased the team's output for the next few months, but since then it's died down a little. And yet, if we go around advertising Thrive, many people will see that all we really have are a few early releases and prototypes after 4 years of on-and-off development. Not that these aren't huge milestones and brilliantly programmed, but many people's expectations would drop hugely and they'll view Thrive as a lost cause. One possible solution would be to advertise Thrive through my book. I now have my own website - http://oliverlugg.com/ if you're interested - to promote my book, but I've also added a link and information about Thrive to the front page. Therefore, anyone I link to my book will also see the link to the Thrive website - advertising for Thrive without any actual advertising for Thrive. To incite said traffic spike, I plan to run a large promotion campaign: posters around my school, submitting Clocks to BiDiPi on Vsauce2 and even posting on my favourite author's website, which I found the other day and discovered that his fan base is large enough for a traffic spike, but small enough that he has the opportunity to reply to pretty much every comment on his website. I'm sure I'll think up other ways as well, and once one is successful, word of mouth will also spread Clocks' popularity, and Thrive's with it.

You may argue that this retains the same problems as before, but since people will start following me on my website, they'll see all the updates I post for Thrive whether they hold any hope for it or not. And eventually, WE WILL RELEASE THE MICROBE STAGE. At that point and all major milestones in between, anyone following the progress of my book will also see how much Thrive has come along.

One other thing my book will bring to the project is money. I'm just as against hiring professional programmers as anybody here, but the point was recently raised in the Skype team leads discussion (inadvertently by myself) that we'll need a proper Thrive server which everyone, not just me, can contribute to. I plan to use some of the money I make from book sales to pay for the new server.

So, in conclusion, I am using you for my own nefarious purposes, but Thrive is also using me for its own nefarious purposes.

Oh, and please buy my book. I don't really want to stress this point but I suppose it's what this whole post is about.

Wow, I would have never expected something like this happening. I personally had mixed opinions after reading this. Although you never did any harm doing this secretly, in fact, you helped out a lot around here. At the same time, you joined the project just for gaining a larger following?

If you are leaving, then I wish you good luck and your book success because after all, you are one of the members around here that people really look up to.

Your offer of advertising and making some donations is appreciated, but I think you should talk to the project leaders to discuss that.

I personally am not bothered at your admission Oliver, to me nothing has been hurt by this.

I do have a small suggestion, html wise, make the link for this forum different from the text around it, people will not know it is a link unless they mouse over it.

To be honest, I would put a link for thrive on my FanFiction profile page, but the admins over there would probably get after me about it.

Ah, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. The whole nefarious thing was just a joke - it was never my intention to use Thrive to my advantage, it's just that I realise that I now find myself in a position where I can. I have legitimately been helping this project right from the moment I joined, and I'll continue to contribute as much as I can for the foreseeable future.

Sorry if you misunderstood.

Oliveriver wrote:

Dear Thrive Development Team,

I have a confession to make - I have been using you for my own nefarious purposes.

This only really occurred to me a few months ago, but thanks to Thrive there is now a huge number of people at my fingertips I can easily share things with. I've already begun my intra-Thrive promotion campaign, mostly via the Skype team leads development discussion and my YouTube channel, which as a result of my Thrive compositions now has over 250 subscribers. What is it I'm using Thrive for, you ask?

This: http://www.lulu.com/shop/oliver-lugg/clocks/paperback/product-21187624.html

I've mentioned a couple of times every now and then that I write novels in my spare time, and my latest literary outing, Clocks, was self-published just over a month ago. You can read the preview on the page I linked if you're not sure, and if you don't want to spend £12 (or whatever the equivalent is in your chosen currency) on a book you have no idea of the quality of, the link to the eBook is at the bottom right of the page. Only earlier today, I received a notification to say that the eBook passed primary review and will be on both the iBookstore and Barnes and Noble NOOK store within 2 to 4 weeks.

HOWEVER, I'd feel terrible if this was all I said and I really was using everyone for my own nefarious purposes. So here's what I'm doing in return:

Let's face it, this project needs another traffic spike if we're ever going to reach the goal of releasing the microbe stage by the end of the year (and even that might not be enough to get it out in such little time). The Reddit boom in March massively increased the team's output for the next few months, but since then it's died down a little. And yet, if we go around advertising Thrive, many people will see that all we really have are a few early releases and prototypes after 4 years of on-and-off development. Not that these aren't huge milestones and brilliantly programmed, but many people's expectations would drop hugely and they'll view Thrive as a lost cause. One possible solution would be to advertise Thrive through my book. I now have my own website - http://oliverlugg.com/ if you're interested - to promote my book, but I've also added a link and information about Thrive to the front page. Therefore, anyone I link to my book will also see the link to the Thrive website - advertising for Thrive without any actual advertising for Thrive. To incite said traffic spike, I plan to run a large promotion campaign: posters around my school, submitting Clocks to BiDiPi on Vsauce2 and even posting on my favourite author's website, which I found the other day and discovered that his fan base is large enough for a traffic spike, but small enough that he has the opportunity to reply to pretty much every comment on his website. I'm sure I'll think up other ways as well, and once one is successful, word of mouth will also spread Clocks' popularity, and Thrive's with it.

You may argue that this retains the same problems as before, but since people will start following me on my website, they'll see all the updates I post for Thrive whether they hold any hope for it or not. And eventually, WE WILL RELEASE THE MICROBE STAGE. At that point and all major milestones in between, anyone following the progress of my book will also see how much Thrive has come along.

One other thing my book will bring to the project is money. I'm just as against hiring professional programmers as anybody here, but the point was recently raised in the Skype team leads discussion (inadvertently by myself) that we'll need a proper Thrive server which everyone, not just me, can contribute to. I plan to use some of the money I make from book sales to pay for the new server.

So, in conclusion, I am using you for my own nefarious purposes, but Thrive is also using me for its own nefarious purposes.

Oh, and please buy my book. I don't really want to stress this point but I suppose it's what this whole post is about.

I'm not angry because of that. I'm actually happy you are dedicating your time on helping us so much. :cheers: Cheers for you!

Well, I guess it could be possible for the plant's... I guess you can't really call them organs, but the plant could conduct electrical pulses through it cells. Thinking, or the mind, soul, spirit, whatever you want to call it, is basically electrical signals running around your brain and your nerves. A plant could probably evolve with something similar to this, depending on what materials make up the planet. Also, that adhesive bit. For some reason that made me think of Katamari Damacy.

SMALL EDIT THING:
I just remembered, I've used the source engine before. Does that help at all?

So, this plant brain equivalent would just be a bulbous protrusion/section that contains a large portion of the plant's cells? Am I understanding that correctly?

The adhesive thing, now that you brought it up, it makes me think of Katamari too.

Kind of, what I'm saying is that the bulbous part of the plant you mentioned would be similar to the tissue that makes up a normal brain, except it would be made of plant matter.

PropTheRedstoner wrote:

Kind of, what I'm saying is that the bulbous part of the plant you mentioned would be similar to the tissue that makes up a normal brain, except it would be made of plant matter.

plant gameplay was left as some sort of management game i mean, you affect the plant growth and that stuff, think of it like a city management, with resources and that stuff, or that's what i understood from the plant gameplay thread.

no, we wont have fully vegetable alien sophonts. only animals and plant/animal hybrids would do it.

Oh, right, thanks penumbra for bringing that up, I completely forgot about that.

Sophonts? :scratch: :?:

Immortal_Dragon wrote:

Oh, right, thanks penumbra for bringing that up, I completely forgot about that.

Sophonts? :scratch: :?:

"An intelligent being; a being with a base reasoning capacity roughly equivalent to or greater than that of a human being. The word does not apply to machines unless they have true artificial intelligence, rather than mere processing capacity."

I dont know if thats the real awnser he was going for, but I hope that it is close.

PropTheRedstoner wrote:

Kind of, what I'm saying is that the bulbous part of the plant you mentioned would be similar to the tissue that makes up a normal brain, except it would be made of plant matter.

For now, plants can't become intelligent. It also serves no point because you can't move.

Also, nervous tissue does not exist in plants.

NickTheNick wrote:

PropTheRedstoner wrote:

Kind of, what I'm saying is that the bulbous part of the plant you mentioned would be similar to the tissue that makes up a normal brain, except it would be made of plant matter.

For now, plants can't become intelligent. It also serves no point because you can't move.

Also, nervous tissues does not exist in plants.

Yes but one thing we have to remember is that this isn't exactly purely a Terran style of Plant, there could be alien plants with nervous tissues and mobile parts of their body, sure they dont have to all be mobile, but it can just be a few pieces of it to move, such as a vine with a Venus-flytrap like mouth.

From what I know, the flytrap doesn't use electrical signals. I know you seek diversity in alien life in Thrive, but its a common misconception to think that to do that we need to operate outside of LAWK. It doesn't matter whether it is a Terran plant or not, the game will operate based off of the known realm of science, and so plants can only be formed of the tissues that have been observed on Earth, because we have no other reference frame.