Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread

The Uteen wrote:

M3rox wrote:

You know, guns are very complicated, so my question is: will you have to put all single parts that a gun can have together in the TO to get it work or will there be some premade parts that you can/have to use

Firstly, let me just confirm you are familiar with function parts - function parts (or FPs) are pre-made objects such as a switch, or microchip, which can be added to your tech object. Some function parts, such as a switch, can be made using the materials available in the tech editor, but since this may be difficult or time-consuming a function-part is provided. Other function parts, like microchips, are on such a small scale (or so complicated) that the game couldn't be expected to go into the required level of detail, so a single game object is provided to simulate the same effect.

More complicated systems will be reduced to a single function part once more advanced technology is developed. For example, you would be able to add a ‘Hard Disk Drive’ function part, rather than having to add millions of electronic switches, when you have developed the appropriate computing technology. In terms of your question about guns, I would expect there to be a trigger FP, barrel FP, and so on.

There are also things I think we named ‘Kit Techs’, which are ready-made basic Tech Objects which can be used in the Tech Editor, to either save time or to just let the player be lazy. So once you developed guns, a gun Kit Tech would become available.

On further research, the meaning of Kit Tech is exactly what I thought it was, but also several other things. Disregard Kit Tech, just call it a pre-made Tech Object.

So you mean that you CAN use pre-made parts but don't have to? Did i understand that correctly?

M3rox wrote:

The Uteen wrote:

M3rox wrote:

You know, guns are very complicated, so my question is: will you have to put all single parts that a gun can have together in the TO to get it work or will there be some premade parts that you can/have to use

Firstly, let me just confirm you are familiar with function parts - function parts (or FPs) are pre-made objects such as a switch, or microchip, which can be added to your tech object. Some function parts, such as a switch, can be made using the materials available in the tech editor, but since this may be difficult or time-consuming a function-part is provided. Other function parts, like microchips, are on such a small scale (or so complicated) that the game couldn't be expected to go into the required level of detail, so a single game object is provided to simulate the same effect.

More complicated systems will be reduced to a single function part once more advanced technology is developed. For example, you would be able to add a ‘Hard Disk Drive’ function part, rather than having to add millions of electronic switches, when you have developed the appropriate computing technology. In terms of your question about guns, I would expect there to be a trigger FP, barrel FP, and so on.

There are also things I think we named ‘Kit Techs’, which are ready-made basic Tech Objects which can be used in the Tech Editor, to either save time or to just let the player be lazy. So once you developed guns, a gun Kit Tech would become available.

On further research, the meaning of Kit Tech is exactly what I thought it was, but also several other things. Disregard Kit Tech, just call it a pre-made Tech Object.

So you mean that you CAN use pre-made parts but don't have to? Did i understand that correctly?

Initially, yes.
When you get to the level of complexity of objects like computers, creating it from scratch becomes practically impossible, for the program and the player. When your technology becomes that complicated, it will be necessary to use the pre-made ‘function parts’.
However, using a pre-made TO is entirely optional.

are we going to have the five elements air fire water earth.....and cheese(got that out of a book its a joke

Rorsten594 wrote:

are we going to have the five elements air fire water earth.....and cheese(got that out of a book its a joke

In Thrive, there will be air, fire, water, and earth, and maybe even cheese. As for them being the base materials that make up all things… No.

The Uteen wrote:

Rorsten594 wrote:

are we going to have the five elements air fire water earth.....and cheese(got that out of a book its a joke

In Thrive, there will be air, fire, water, and earth, and maybe even cheese. As for them being the base materials that make up all things… No.

then how will the planet be created because you need fire for the crust (magma) water for life air to breathe (i count any gas as air for my example)
earth for a place to stand and farm and cheese to eat

I don't think you gave Uteen's post a chance, those materials will exist, but they won't make up everything.. We may have multiple types of air, most likely less than there are in reality, but we wont just have one type of air. for example we may include only the following types of air to simplify things, but not over simplify: a useless gas, a flamable gas, a poison gas, and a breathable gas. Those are still air, but they are multiple subcategories of air.

Got another question: will you be able to manipulate alien civilizations with high advanced technology? By "manipulate" I mean doing stuff like those aliens in "V". In other words: will complex social interaction with alien civilizations be possible?

Sorry for my bad english, I'm german

M3rox wrote:

Got another question: will you be able to manipulate alien civilizations with high advanced technology? By "manipulate" I mean doing stuff like those aliens in "V". In other words: will complex social interaction with alien civilizations be possible?

Sorry for my bad english, I'm german

I will try to answer your questions, but I haven't watched V, so I might not fully understand what you mean.

If you have advanced technology, you will be able to manipulate a less advanced civilisation, either by conquering them, or using your technologies to take stuff from them. Governmental negotiations may also be possible (i.e. “give us stuff or we will conquer you”). However, at this point in the game individual organisms will, from what I understand of the current concepts, be reduced to units, or part of a population figure, so complex social interaction on the scale of individual organisms probably won't be doable.

Sounds for me similar to the religious way from spore (I actually have seen the series aswell). Would be intresting to be able to conquer a species with other ways as force.

Well, what about being able to arrive at alien's planet and tell them you're a god and that they have to build temples out of gold for you or you will destroy their planet?

Or another question: will you be able to "create" intelligent life on a planet and do what I wrote above?

on a completely different note will there be flags or is that part of the nation editor?

Rorsten594 wrote:

on a completely different note will there be flags or is that part of the nation editor?

probably part of the tech editor actually, you'd need to create flags first, which then raises the question of whether it would then become part of the nation editor?

Referring to earlier question: I believe I heard somewhere that when brain surgeons make someone twitch a finger or something, patients think they've done it out of free will and when asked why they twitched, they would respond with something along the lines of "I felt like it." or "I couldn't help it." It might therefore be possible to control an organism without the organism realizing what they're doing.

I think the main part of the tree should be something called "Societal Identification", and as your society advances you go from a tribal emblem, a coat of arms and then a flag. Of course I think that if something happens such as 2 countries melding into one should create a special effect for your flag, such as the flag of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

http://flags.nava.org/images/poland/coat_of_arms/polish_lithuanian_commonwealth.png

The Eagle being Poland' CoA and the Horseman being Lithuania's.

that's a good idea, I second that.

what if your two counties disagree on a flag put together would that cause civil unrest?

I think that from a gameplay prospective you go into the flag editor and have to combine the flags someway. Take the Commonwealth example, if there was only 1 horseman and 3 eagles then the Lithuanians would get mad. I assume it would have to deal with equal representation on the flag, unless the country WANTS to be part of yours instead of you just diplomatically annexing them

I think a better solution to all of this is to just leave the flag option completely customizable for the player, instead of restricting them to choose a tribal emblem, then a coat of arms, and last a flag. If the player wants, for roleplaying purposes, to evolve their emblem/coat/flag in such a respect, then they are free to do so.

Likewise, when another country is absorbed, instead of formulating a complex mathematical equation to divide up the two nations' flags and identify the important segments and make a hybrid of the two without it looking weird and having the computer also need to determine the symmetry of the flag and if one side takes up too much then the old country's cities get unhappy and not letting the player control this process, we should just let the player customize their flag as they want, regardless of the nations they absorb. If, for roleplaying purposes, they desire to change their flag after absorbing another country to represent a unification of nations like with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or the United Kingdom or Spain or some other historical example, then again they are free to do so.

First of all, sorry for a long post and grammar/spelling errors, i'm not native english

Just one question that doesent seem to be in the forums (or that the search tool doesent seem to find)

How is the space stage managed. I mean, gravity, orbits, and all of that.

The easiest option would be jus as spore does, a fixed galaxy with solar systems that have planets in circular orbits.

Other option is to have solar systems rotating around the center of its galaxy, the planets rotating around its star (or binary star or stranger formations) and moons rotating around its planet.
All the orbits can be perfectly circular or elliptic, that would be only for rendering and such.
This would alow for some more realistic looking physics (planets closer to the sun rotate around it faster)

Finally, the option i was going to, would be to fully simulate the galaxy, or at least to some accuracy (we will probably need to tune down the amount of objects, as 1gb Ram will only alow for 53 Million objects (Milky way has 200.000-400.000 billion stars) dispersed through the milky way with a precission of 1 meter (probably 100 meter precision would be enough for anything rellevant)), using Newton's laws. this would allow for a really great realism still being possible for the processor

Spoiler:

This would also allow for easy and reallistic collisions handling:

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The maximum objects limit is really not a problem, as having 300.000.000.000.000 stars is just overwhelming for the player, and probably around 10.000 is alredy too big gameplay-wise.

The final question is doing it 2D or 3D. In my opinion, 2D is better, as it is easyer to compute (code-wise is almost identical) and gameplay-wise the chances of things happening is much higher.

EDIT - I dont mean the whole space game being 2D, i just mean the planets, stars, and other massive uncontrollable objects. Space ships or any other kind of space creation can have its 3rd dimension movement, asuming for the phisics engine that its mass is deprecable (so small it doesen't make any diference, not sure if the right word). Then we will have a problem with huge objects (something like the Death Star) that are controllable. I would just stick that kind of objects to 2D.

Sorry if I was a little far from the site, but I had some commitments. I continue to work on the ambient sounds of the first phase (which ? ) or of other sounds.

Hey,
got 3 questions (or 4?)
1. Will there be some kind of easter eggs ingame? Like a party-planet where aliens dance to some kind of dubstep?
2. Later when you got some high-tech alien-computer-thingys, will you be able to create computer games and maybe an alien version of Thrive?
3. Will there be more than only one galaxy?

PS: Are my questions too stupid?

M3rox wrote:

Hey,
got 3 questions (or 4?)
1. Will there be some kind of easter eggs ingame? Like a party-planet where aliens dance to some kind of dubstep?
2. Later when you got some high-tech alien-computer-thingys, will you be able to create computer games and maybe an alien version of Thrive?
3. Will there be more than only one galaxy?

PS: Are my questions too stupid?

1. To this question I can not answer for sure, but I think so.
2. is irrelevant ..
3. Yes, for now you have the idea of ​​being able to play in one galaxy, but once completed the game maybe the idea of ​​making playable other galaxies is possible.

M3rox wrote:

Hey,
got 3 questions (or 4?)
1. Will there be some kind of easter eggs ingame? Like a party-planet where aliens dance to some kind of dubstep?
2. Later when you got some high-tech alien-computer-thingys, will you be able to create computer games and maybe an alien version of Thrive?
3. Will there be more than only one galaxy?

PS: Are my questions too stupid?

1: Yes, but we will talk more once enough part of the game is made.

2: I cant find it, but it is alredy asked and answered: No

3: A single galaxy like the milky way is about 200 to 400 billion stars. And ours is actually a small one. If we just store its radius and mass (just to give an example) we would need 4.8 TERABYTES of memory space.

Spoiler:

That means that a single galaxy is alredy WAY too big to start with. If we asume data storage doubles every two years (which it does), in 25 years we will be able to store the galaxy structure in a home computer.

Got another idea for diseases: what about divide them into levels, like level 1 is maybe a cold and level 2 is a bit more dangerous and so on and the highest level is a zombie virus

1. i was wondering that how long different stages are going to be. i mean could you conquer whole planet in tribal stage?
2. also can you make your own religion?

Each stage lasts as long as it takes the player to complete it.
There will be randomized religions, but I am not sure about customizable religions.