photosynthesis

well for what i'v read around here, one of the things that i always wanted to see is going to be seen animal hybrids that can preform photosynthesis. Well i'd like to point out that important characteristics of it are color and location.

Location is obvious, the tissue that can preform it is no good if it is in the feet, so location should define amount of energy gathered.

color, well in a plant the leaves are green cause it's the color that they do not absorb. A yellow leaf would be less effective on earth since most of the color spectrum of the sun is yellow. Just so a blue one in a blue giant would be worthless, but it'd be good in a red dwarf. The ultimate color for a plant is ...black since it absorbs all possible light ( unless it had a gravitic pull) a white photosynthetic element wouldn't do much....


this are just some thoughts bout it



EDIT: i think i might have posted this in the wrong section, could you please move it to the right area if that's the case....

The org editor can create animals, plants, fungi, etc, or a mix.
Also, what's really interesting is that plants aren't black-leafed, because dark pigments are found in plenty of plants. There is most likely an evolutionary reason for that, we should try to figure it out.

There's a very interesting chain of events concerning leaf colors that i think we can all appreciate. You see, in rain forests, many plants leaves are red on the bottom, which, if i remember correctly, helps them pick up reflected light off of leaves below. Because of their pigmentation, red leaves are more nutritious than green ones, so it is more advantageous for a primate to eat them. However, at one time primates (actually, early primate predecessors) could not tell that the leaves are red, because, like most mammals, they did not have color vision. The red-colored leaves were the reason it was advantageous for early primates to evolve color vision, and the reason why we see in color today.

if i'm not in mistake, there are substances that work like chlorophyll that are used by some sorts of bacteria, though they have a different color (i'll try to find my book on abiogenesis and early cell evolution on earth ...)

eumesmo wrote:

if i'm not in mistake, there are substances that work like chlorophyll that are used by some sorts of bacteria, though they have a different color (i'll try to find my book on abiogenesis and early cell evolution on earth ...)

Most photosynthetic eukaryotes use chlorophyll, i know that much, but not really sure on the bacteria.

Chlorophyll and other photosynthesizing chemical might be able to be added in the skin section of the OE, でしょう. Most large animals don't use photosynthesis directly because it doesn't provide enough energy to warrant the needed increase in food and water; it is also the same with symbiotic photosynthesis. However photosynthesis does work in small and immobile organisms such as a actual plants and small worms.

GamerXA wrote:

Chlorophyll and other photosynthesizing chemical might be able to be added in the skin section of the OE, でしょう. Most large animals don't use photosynthesis directly because it doesn't provide enough energy to warrant the needed increase in food and water; it is also the same with symbiotic photosynthesis. However photosynthesis does work in small and immobile organisms such as a actual plants and small worms.

Photosynthetic skin is a great idea, gamer.

There are worms that use photosynthesis? Source please, that sounds kind of cool.

The Symsagittifera roscoffensis don't photosynthesis themselves but rather use symbiosis with small algae embedded in them. Coral and some sponges also use a similar method as well as lichen.

So, to have chlorophylls in your body, you have to get them straight in the beggining, either when you are still a single cell, or when you start to form a multicelled organism. Otherwise, the only method to have photosyntesis is the less effective symbiosis.

if a symbiotic relationship like that carries on for long enough, the host organism may fully internalize the photosynthetic cells and make them their own. Sponges did this with amoebas, leading to thier amoebacyte cells.

It's nearly impossible to develop something like chlorophyll when you start with a multicelled Organism. The Chloroplasts that give plants and other Eukaryotes Photosynthesis is really just symbiotic Cyanobacteria within every cell. Cyanobacteria evolved to photosynthesize on their own as they were single cellular, multicellular Organism would be very unlikely to gain this ability due to the sheer number of cells, a symbiotic relationship with internal symbionts also presents a similar problem. It is much easier for Organisms to have something like algae outside of the organism's individual cells.

So to wrap up this confusing post: cyanobacteria are in algae, which are in the Photosynthesizing animals

GamerXA wrote:

It's nearly impossible to develop something like chlorophyll when you start with a multicelled Organism. The Chloroplasts that give plants and other Eukaryotes Photosynthesis is really just symbiotic Cyanobacteria within every cell. Cyanobacteria evolved to photosynthesize on their own as they were single cellular, multicellular Organism would be very unlikely to gain this ability due to the sheer number of cells, a symbiotic relationship with internal symbionts also presents a similar problem. It is much easier for Organisms to have something like algae outside of the organism's individual cells.

So to wrap up this confusing post: cyanobacteria are in algae, which are in the Photosynthesizing animals

Approved. basically all that matters is that we enable is as a body covering.

Solar-powered Sea Slugs

KachinaKite wrote:

Solar-powered Sea Slugs

Welcome, Kachina! You should introduce yourself in the "Other" forum- acutally, a subforum in the Other subforum.


And, that's an interesting link. They capture and farm plants, eh?

KachinaKite wrote:

Solar-powered Sea Slugs

Oh, no.

Spambots.

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

Anyway, that's quite an interesting link though it doesn't quite apply to this thread, though I suppose it's acceptable. I also find it strange you'd not post anything besides that link (Look what I found).

Would you mind introducing yourself in the 'Introduction' thread...wherever that is?

Chlorophyll -green (subdivisions: Chlorophyll-A,Chlorophyll-B,Chlorophyll-C1,Chlorophyll-C2,Chlorophyll-D)

Phycocyanin - Phycocyanins are found in Cyanobacteria, and absorb orange and red light, particularly near 620 nm and emits fluorescence at about 650 nm (subdivisions: Phycocyanin C ,Phycocyanin R ; there may be more)

Allophycocyanin- absorbs and emits red light (650 & 660 nm max, respectively)

Phycoerythrin- absorbs slightly blue-green/yellowish light and emits slightly orange-yellow light


these work as accessory pigments for Chlorophyll-A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_pigment



i had to use the wikipedia to get some of the terms in my book to english so the text is a bit copied from there, sorry about that...

KachinaKite wrote:

Solar-powered Sea Slugs

Thanks for the article- any yeah, please introduce yourself in the welcome section.

on the subject of the sun of a planet i seen on the discovery channel animals early then the dinosaurs at one time had big fins to put near sunlight to warm up(they were cold blooded) or go in the shaade to cool ddown can things like that be included

mike roberts wrote:

on the subject of the sun of a planet i seen on the discovery channel animals early then the dinosaurs at one time had big fins to put near sunlight to warm up(they were cold blooded) or go in the shaade to cool ddown can things like that be included

Well, yes, but that has nothing to do with plants or photosynthesis.

sorry just reminded me off the topic

I think the ability to stay warm using sunlight may need to be discussed. But not here. It's probably not a great worry just yet anyways.

Light carries heat (to put it simply), so it is sort of on topic. Maybe thermosynthesis could be possible? Anyone think this deserves a thread?

i do

The Uteen wrote:

Light carries heat (to put it simply), so it is sort of on topic. Maybe thermosynthesis could be possible? Anyone think this deserves a thread?

Sounds like a good idea, go ahead and thread thread thread

mike roberts wrote:

on the subject of the sun of a planet i seen on the discovery channel animals early then the dinosaurs at one time had big fins to put near sunlight to warm up(they were cold blooded) or go in the shaade to cool ddown can things like that be included

These were not dinosaurs, they were their predecessors. You are thinking of dimetrodon, which was a large synapsid reptile with a sail on its back that works much like a rabbit's long ears. By circulating the blood through a large surface area, it can be warmed and cooled quickly. Warm and cold blood will be handled in the OE, along with different types of blood, (Iron and copper, ie)