Thermosynthesis

So, it's arrived. My amazing thread about Thermosynthesis, and if & how it will be included. Enjoy!

thank u and about my post earlier i think there needs to be a part that says if ur creature is warm or cold blooded or a mixture if cold blooded there has to be some limitations ur creature cannot live in some climates and u hav to find ways to cool off and warm up rapidly sometimes so thats my idea give me ur input

If it is in real life, it should be included.

nice

Exactly how do you plan to implement this?

A bool?

It could basically be the creature gains more energy depending on how hot the air around it is, a side affect being it cools the air around it. But... How could something thermosynthesise in real life? If we can figure that out, it can be in the game. Any ideas?

almost immediate EDIT: The creature can still only survive within its survivable temperature range, and if the temperature is below... Half the max heat, the creature pretty much stops thermosynthesising.

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

eumesmo wrote:

A bool?

Nobody knows what that means

roadkillguy wrote:

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

That's just getting heat energy, thermosynthesis would mean getting energy from heat in ATP form. More info here (Wikipedia)

roadkillguy wrote:

eumesmo wrote:

A bool?

Nobody knows what that means

Wrong.

My bad

~sciocont wrote:

Exactly how do you plan to implement this?

the best way is a boolean value... and maybe a draggable bar if (value){} to regulate how efficient it is, crocs have it more efficient due to the heart structure and + efficiency = +ATP

I'm not sure if we would be able to implement this, or if it would have any impact on the game at all. It sounds like Uteen's original idea was basically warm/cold blooded, which is already available in the OE.

I think Uteen meant thermosynthesis as getting energy from heat in the same way as photosynthethis gives energy from light.

Commander Keen wrote:

roadkillguy wrote:

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

That's just getting heat energy, thermosynthesis would mean getting energy from heat in ATP form. More info here (Wikipedia)

So it is possible! It can be included. Just need to make sure starting on europa-like bodies is allowed in the game. But to do that we need to simulate the tidal forces, the friction heat, the changing of state at the right temperatures... There's a lot of things to consider in this game...

EDIT: Exactly what Keen said. That's why I made the name photoThermosynthesis. And it's already a thing on wiki!

The Uteen wrote:

Commander Keen wrote:

roadkillguy wrote:

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

That's just getting heat energy, thermosynthesis would mean getting energy from heat in ATP form. More info here (Wikipedia)

So it is possible! It can be included. Just need to make sure starting on europa-like bodies is allowed in the game. But to do that we need to simulate the tidal forces, the friction heat, the changing of state at the right temperatures... There's a lot of things to consider in this game...

EDIT: Exactly what Keen said. That's why I made the name photoThermosynthesis. And it's already a thing on wiki!

It's a good mechanism for planets affected by tidal heating that get lottle sunlight, like europa. If we implement it correctly, it will be great. We now need to think of what organ will use it.

~sciocont wrote:

The Uteen wrote:

Commander Keen wrote:

roadkillguy wrote:

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

That's just getting heat energy, thermosynthesis would mean getting energy from heat in ATP form. More info here (Wikipedia)

So it is possible! It can be included. Just need to make sure starting on europa-like bodies is allowed in the game. But to do that we need to simulate the tidal forces, the friction heat, the changing of state at the right temperatures... There's a lot of things to consider in this game...

EDIT: Exactly what Keen said. That's why I made the name photoThermosynthesis. And it's already a thing on wiki!

It's a good mechanism for planets affected by tidal heating that get lottle sunlight, like europa. If we implement it correctly, it will be great. We now need to think of what organ will use it.

Well it will be something on the outside (skin/exoskeleton) that absorbs heat, so not so much an organ. Photosynthesis uses 'skin', I'd imagine thermosynthesis would work in a similar way. Plus for life to evolve on europa using it, it would have to be able to do it as a cell.

So this is just the way animals get their blood heated???

No, this is the way how organisms gain energy from heat, just like plants on Earth get it from sunlight.

The Uteen wrote:

Well it will be something on the outside (skin/exoskeleton) that absorbs heat, so not so much an organ. Photosynthesis uses 'skin', I'd imagine thermosynthesis would work in a similar way. Plus for life to evolve on europa using it, it would have to be able to do it as a cell.

they could live in vulcanic vents...

Commander Keen wrote:

No, this is the way how organisms gain energy from heat, just like plants on Earth get it from sunlight.

Basically what is being proposed is the transfer of heat energy into stored biomass energy, most likely in the form of sugars and fats.

yeah i can see that

~sciocont wrote:

The Uteen wrote:

Commander Keen wrote:

roadkillguy wrote:

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

That's just getting heat energy, thermosynthesis would mean getting energy from heat in ATP form. More info here (Wikipedia)

So it is possible! It can be included. Just need to make sure starting on europa-like bodies is allowed in the game. But to do that we need to simulate the tidal forces, the friction heat, the changing of state at the right temperatures... There's a lot of things to consider in this game...

EDIT: Exactly what Keen said. That's why I made the name photoThermosynthesis. And it's already a thing on wiki!

It's a good mechanism for planets affected by tidal heating that get lottle sunlight, like europa. If we implement it correctly, it will be great. We now need to think of what organ will use it.

I think (Think) that some of the dinosaurs did this... I may be wrong... But some had large sails on their back which had a large surface area with a small volume (Ie tall long and thin) thus absorbing more heat. By sail I mean something like this:
Dimetrodon


(Not a dinosaur actually, an early reptile)

Actually come to think of it, these creatures sail organs were more or less ways of heat regulation. They would spend time under the sun and the sail would absorb heat faster than it would without the sail, but I dont think it really synthesised it to form atp molecules...

But a sail-like organ such as this could be associated with Thermosynthesis.

Basically because it has a large surface area and a proportionally small volume. (Like how leaves are large and thin so they absorb more light)

So for organ concepts:
Anything long tall and thin.
IE. High X axis, High Z Axis, low Y axis. (In 3d terms =/ Dunno if that really makes sense)


EDIT: And dark coloured is another possibility, as dark colours absorb heat radiation while light colours reflect it

Pezzalis wrote:

~sciocont wrote:

The Uteen wrote:

Commander Keen wrote:

roadkillguy wrote:

I thought it was literally just warming it's blood up.

That's just getting heat energy, thermosynthesis would mean getting energy from heat in ATP form. More info here (Wikipedia)

So it is possible! It can be included. Just need to make sure starting on europa-like bodies is allowed in the game. But to do that we need to simulate the tidal forces, the friction heat, the changing of state at the right temperatures... There's a lot of things to consider in this game...

EDIT: Exactly what Keen said. That's why I made the name photoThermosynthesis. And it's already a thing on wiki!

It's a good mechanism for planets affected by tidal heating that get lottle sunlight, like europa. If we implement it correctly, it will be great. We now need to think of what organ will use it.

I think (Think) that some of the dinosaurs did this... I may be wrong... But some had large sails on their back which had a large surface area with a small volume (Ie tall long and thin) thus absorbing more heat. By sail I mean something like this:
Dimetrodon


(Not a dinosaur actually, an early reptile)

Actually come to think of it, these creatures sail organs were more or less ways of heat regulation. They would spend time under the sun and the sail would absorb heat faster than it would without the sail, but I dont think it really synthesised it to form atp molecules...

But a sail-like organ such as this could be associated with Thermosynthesis.

Basically because it has a large surface area and a proportionally small volume. (Like how leaves are large and thin so they absorb more light)

So for organ concepts:
Anything long tall and thin.
IE. High X axis, High Z Axis, low Y axis. (In 3d terms =/ Dunno if that really makes sense)


EDIT: And dark coloured is another possibility, as dark colours absorb heat radiation while light colours reflect it

No, that is not thermosynthesis, that is simply an adaptation for a cold-bloded creature to get warmer faster.
You see, lots of blood ran through the sail, and that made it very prone to pick up heat from the outside. Because the sun comes up on the horizon, the creature's sail would extend it's surface area on its sunward side in the mornings so that it would be up and ready before other animals were, giving it a huge advantage over the other cold-blooded animals.

~sciocont wrote:

No, that is not thermosynthesis, that is simply an adaptation for a cold-bloded creature to get warmer faster.
You see, lots of blood ran through the sail, and that made it very prone to pick up heat from the outside. Because the sun comes up on the horizon, the creature's sail would extend it's surface area on its sunward side in the mornings so that it would be up and ready before other animals were, giving it a huge advantage over the other cold-blooded animals.

Hmmm yes but wouldnt a Thermosynthesis organ be something in design which picks up as much heat as possible...
So something like a sail

Or more or less the Thermosynthesis organ is contained within an area with a small volume...

Pezzalis wrote:

~sciocont wrote:

No, that is not thermosynthesis, that is simply an adaptation for a cold-bloded creature to get warmer faster.
You see, lots of blood ran through the sail, and that made it very prone to pick up heat from the outside. Because the sun comes up on the horizon, the creature's sail would extend it's surface area on its sunward side in the mornings so that it would be up and ready before other animals were, giving it a huge advantage over the other cold-blooded animals.

Hmmm yes but wouldnt a Thermosynthesis organ be something in design which picks up as much heat as possible...
So something like a sail

Or more or less the Thermosynthesis organ is contained within an area with a small volume...

Most likely it would need a lot of surface area, however, a sail doesn't give the most surface area, because it needs to be flat so it doesn't shadow itself or trap heat. A better thermosynthetic organ would look like a primitive gill, getting as much surface area as possible.