[ARC] The Evil Sciences

Okay, so in real life, if the human race started using bio-tech rather then our conventional technologies, there would be disturbances right? Like greenies complaining about the 'creatures' rights and all that, along with, and this is assuming the 'Tyranid' kind of bio-tech, people just generally being grossed out at it. Same with teleportation, there would be public uproar as to the 'theory' that teleportation kills you and then 'clones' you. Will we implement this in-game, like if the player decides to publicly use what we could call a 'forbidden technology', the population would become unhappy, and more likely to revolt?

Also should we have like certain civilisations with their certain government type have prejudice against a certain other government type, like aggressive civilisations will have prejudice against peaceful civilisations ect?

This is for both Civ and Space, however we could also extend it to Tribal/Primitive Civ with superstitions, like burning witches, and what not.

Evil is purely a point of view, and what your nation may or may not have a problem with will probably be handled mostly arbitrarily. However, I think we do have a value in the NE of how liberal/conservative a nation is, and in general a more conservative nation will be more opposed to these sorts of technologies.
The idea of national prejudice is good, I'm not sure if we have it, but if we don't we should include it.

Nice idea, the second was supposed to happen, with the governments to governments thing...

Although, uproar about teleportation would only happen if people used it, and if people used it they would be able to get around faster... So maybe negative for a while, but usually it would soon be cancelled out by the benefits of the new technology. Maybe it could just be a temporary negative happiness, but a big one. This could be a big hurdle, you need to keep the people under control until it subsides, and if you do, then it all goes back to normal. If you don't... Actually, what happens if you don't?

And another thing about teleportation killing you... If you do die when you teleport (I think you basically do...), then what happens in game? The game will do the 'death' procedure and go to the closest relative. We'd better make sure that doesn't happen.

If we do make teleportation ( ), I wouldn't use it. I don't want to de, even if another guy with the same memories and personalities gets born somewhere else, it isn't really me... Well, it is to anyone else, but it isn't to me. Still, if someone did teleport, the only person this problem would matter to would be dead in seconds anyway. Really, really creepy. I guess that sort of goes to show there would be outrage.

The basic idea of teleportation is actually just replecation. Whatever is there gets scanned, the info is sent somewhere else, and then it's replicated. In game, we would send you to your destination.

Unless you were one of the characters in the prestige, there would only be one "copy" and that copy would still be you.

i like the idea of government hating each other like back in the cold war the communists hated are type of government and loved theres and vice verses it would nice to see this along with some prejudices in the game

I was actually terrified when I saw this thread that it would be someone talking about how X or Y is evil and how we need to show that. Good job Hallowed, I am pleasantly surprised.

However, most everyone here is still a teensy bit closed-minded. It's understandable, but most of you are still clinging to a few beliefs you have grown up with.

My proof? ~Scio said "Conservative" and "Liberal."

These are incredibly arbitrary terms, and unique to our culture. Generally they are defined as establishment vs. anti-establishment respectively, but this doesn't always work. For example, the Middle Ages were a golden age for womens rights. The head of the rennaisance movement (Yes, it was a movement. I can explain if you don't believe me) did not only argue for the famous things we remember such as oligarchical governments and republics, (Which existed in the duel government system anyway, but did not dirive their authority from the crown) a traditionally liberal stance, but also claimed that the over-abundance of power that women had was poisoning the system and that they must be restrained, a traditionally conservative stance.

On that topic, does anyone care to here my rant on how gender itself is an arbitrary system that functions more like a cult than anything else?

Teleportation was just an example I had from a Sporum S&S thread. I'll find the link if anyone's interested but that, yeah it was just an example. It is really creepy the more you think about it.

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Good job Hallowed, I am pleasantly surprised.

Thank you, I just used 'evil' because the society would see it as evil, and with the media and what not calling it 'evil'. Of course I'm only thinking of Human examples, obviously on some planet they may not have evolved the 'media'. I also read some scifi thing about some 'evil sciences' that some civilisation practised and they were exiled for it by the 'Big Guy' ect. which is what gave me the idea along with the teleportation thread.

I think this's it...

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/63079.page

Hallowed_Are_The_Ori wrote:

Thank you, I just used 'evil' because the society would see it as evil, and with the media and what not calling it 'evil'. Of course I'm only thinking of Human examples, obviously on some planet they may not have evolved the 'media'. I also read some scifi thing about some 'evil sciences' that some civilisation practised and they were exiled for it by the 'Big Guy' ect. which is what gave me the idea along with the teleportation thread.

Well, first off: Media always exists. That's just information transfer, and thus nessicary for all Civilization. Mass Media, which I think you mean, comes later, but I feel is inevitable. I cannot forsee a nation that would reject it, it's too convenient and efficient. In truth, despite the bad wrap it gets, Mass Media really has been a net gain for society in that it provides so much information and helps blur arbitrary demographic lines.

Anyways, you can't blame them for assuming evil. As a transsexual I know well that transgression of arbitrary lines causes negative reactions, but I've had to learn why as well. We use arbitrary systems to organize our world. Again the tranny in me speaks out so I'll talk about gender.

Gender is the very first thing we learn: either we're a boy or a girl and there are no inbetweens. If you are assigned the role of boy you are told you should wear blue and pants and play with toy trucks and guns. If you are assigned the role of girl you wear pink and skirts and play with dolls and dresses. Transgression of these rules are tolerated for a few years, but afterwards punishment starts. You are put in time out, you are yelled at, in some cases beaten and whipped. This is akin to the way a cult punishes it's members if the rules of the cult are broken. Also like a cult, transgression of the rules means that you are cut off from the other members: they will not speak to you or give you succor. The only time you are contacted is usually in the form of taunts, humiliation, or threats.

Given these dangers, members tend to obsess over membership and will desperately defend it if it ever comes under question. In gender's case, sexual orientation is bound to gender as well. This is why gays and lesbians are hated so much, despite that bedroom habits are not usually sources of bigotry. This is also why stereotypes of gays and lesbians are overly feminine and masculine respectively, as it helps us fit them into the gender catagories we accept. As one's gender or sexuality come under question, people tend to get extremely angry and this can sometimes lead to confrontation. People avoid sounding as though they transgress the rules in any way they can. (eg: No Homo)

Now, this most core system of organization gives most humans a very basic form of cognitive orientation that we can build off of. If the system is transgressed than, depending on how core the system was to one's cognitive orientation, many end up experiencing the same symptoms they do when their physical orientation is lost: Many transsexuals have seen people vomit, pass out, scream, and stare when their "true" identity is discovered. (Doubly so if the discoverer had an attraction to them before hand, as their sexuality comes into question). Also common: Extreme anger, hate, fear, frustration, loss of appetite, and confusion.

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Its possible still that a civilisation never used/dicovered/evolved mass media. Anyway I was just meaning 'the news' like ACA and 60 minutes they almost always dramatise ect. and like to call people evil, at least, from my non extensive experience.

To answer the OP I think this is a brilliant idea :cheers:. As your creature advances (essentially all stages except microbe) a part of the code should observe how you evolve you species and from those decisions, decide what would be your race's "Evil Sciences"

For example, if your race evolved as friendly herbivores, such technologies such as weaponry would be frowned upon by your guys. Or if your race researched heavily on the biological sciences, the idea of computers and artificial intelligences would rather upset some members of that society.

Pentomid, try not to necropost, aka post on threads that haven't been posted on for a long time. Also, such a feature was agreed upon ages ago, never confirmed or put in the wiki, and unlikely to be in the game based off of my disposition towards it.