Machine race?

Ive been watching this project for awhile, lurking in the background, and I was wondering would it be possible in game to be a machine race, perhaps after you discover a certain technology in the techtree?

I imagine that the organism editor would become fused with the Tech Editor.

high computing level, as well as medicine should lead to mind uploading .with robotics high enough, i'd say yes

Yes.

caekdaemon wrote:

Ive been watching this project for awhile, lurking in the background, and I was wondering would it be possible in game to be a machine race, perhaps after you discover a certain technology in the techtree?

I imagine that the organism editor would become fused with the Tech Editor.

They wouldn't become fused, really. It's just that to edit your people you use the Tech Editor instead of the Org Editor.

Oh, you mean like I, Robot? (google is your friend)

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Noitulove wrote:

Oh, you mean like I, Robot? (google is your friend)

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That's more of artificial inteligence than mind-chips.



By the way, this people-machine fusing could lead to religious rebelions of people who don't want anyone to have machine body, kinda like Total Annihilation.

Commander Keen wrote:

By the way, this people-machine fusing could lead to religious rebelions of people who don't want anyone to have machine body, kinda like Total Annihilation.

That would be a very interesting event in a races history, and I believe the machines would win that war. I Remember a webcomic that used the same principal for one of its comics.

caekdaemon wrote:

That would be a very interesting event in a races history, and I believe the machines would win that war.

By the time you can construct mind-chips, probability is that cloning will be very advanced and you will get mass clones vs machine people wars.

if your nation was quite religious, i could forsee wars indeed

eumesmo wrote:

if your nation was quite religious, i could forsee wars indeed

Even if it would not be religious, many people won't like to have machine-neighbours. In the best case, you will get a drastic drop in happiness and criminality.

I remember ages ago I made a thread on this very topic... Wow... So long ago... Back in Evolutions!, I think...

So if you get advanced enough AI and use it to build a mobile robot AI machine thing, that can simulate thought so well it can think, I'd say that would be counted as a new species. Yes, it's made of metal, not tissue, but to not call it a new species would be, to put it simply, racism.

I think that robots in the workforce would increase production but decrease happiness. The higher the percentage of robot workers, the higher the percentage of both of these effects.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

I think that robots in the workforce would increase production but decrease happiness. The higher the percentage of robot workers, the higher the percentage of both of these effects.

I agree, but also think that more robots means higher chance of a revolt.

caekdaemon wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

I think that robots in the workforce would increase production but decrease happiness. The higher the percentage of robot workers, the higher the percentage of both of these effects.

I agree, but also think that more robots means higher chance of a revolt.

That would be a byproduct of the unhappiness.

What if you give the robots in the workforce weapons, and make the people slaves?
It sounds fun. >XD
-Waap.

robots could bring happiness, just quite hard with the capitalist system

eumesmo wrote:

robots could bring happiness, just quite hard with the capitalist system

A good point! In a highly regulated economy (low to no Economic Freedoms under Domestic Policy in the Government Section of the Nation Editor), the unhappiness would not occur. I mean, noone can complain if robots are doing all the work and people are still living rich, full lives.

eumesmo wrote:

if your nation was quite religious, i could forsee wars indeed

Depends on the religion. Some might not care. Some may even like it, being able to build followers.

science and religion usually have problems coexisting, usually leading to religion trying to suppress the scientifical knowledge that they dont like (take evolution for an example)

eumesmo wrote:

science and religion usually have problems coexisting, usually leading to religion trying to suppress the scientifical knowledge that they dont like (take evolution for an example)

FOR BELGIUMS SAKE! THAT ISN'T TRUE! HAVE YOU EVER EVEN READ CARL SAGAN? WHAT ABOUT ROGER BACON?

Roger Bacon wrote:

All truth is God's truth, there is no need to fear it.

Modern conservative religion is extremist and cling to a set of poetry used to explain the world several thousand years ago. ONLY BELGUIMING THEM. EVERY other religious leader I have EVER MET has accepted science fully and whole-heartedly. Massive numbers of people, including myself, see evolution as PROOF that God exists.

You need to get it into your thick skull that religion = philosophy + rituals. THAT'S IT. We're not stupid. We're not ignorant. YOU ARE. YOU are the bigot. YOU are the madman, clinging to beleifs that have been shown again and again to be wrong.

BELGIUM I'M SICK OF THIS

Now the religion things is over, I'll try to get this topic back on track by saying:

Do the robots have to rebel before they are counted as their own race?

On one hand, they should be counted as their own race as soon as they are made, because they are a new type of thinking, reproducing (they can build more of themselves), independent race that choose to be part of the species that made them.

On the other hand, if they rebel they are, in a way, actually splitting of from the creators' species for the first time.

So what do you all think?

I really think it depends on what you think race means,any organism, anything with intelligence. 1st one then when it rebels, 1st then it never will be a race and 2nd then if it has artificial intelligence then it always has been.

Agrestrife wrote:

I really think it depends on what you think race means,any organism, anything with intelligence. 1st one then when it rebels, 1st then it never will be a race and 2nd then if it has artificial intelligence then it always has been.

I'm sorry, i didn't quite understand that. Could you reword it?

I think Agrestrife is trying to say that it would depend on what we define a race to be in the game. Something like that.
-Waap.

my point is that many religious factions still remain radical, and they still can do much harm. All that philosophical chat is nice, but look around you, the world isnt that perfect, and those who still try to force us against new developments still exist. If we want to make have a critical thinking, we need to look at the whole, not just those who think in one way but also the radical ones. If what you said was true for everyone then the world d be a lot less belgiumed


and if you look at the developed world, things like evolution still keep bieng refused by most of the masses based on religious beliefs.

it's true that everyone should respect each other, but they dont, and many people keep turning their back on scientific knowledge, many times due to the lack of education (school). and since that is observed not only in the past and but also in the present, we have to account for it when dealing with an eventual future.