Organism Mode Summary

Organism mode is a mode in which you may take control of a member of your own species and roam the world. It will be more complex than Spore by a longshot, but less complex than reality, due to the limits of our own computers. It will be like Spore's Creature Stage in the sense that you control one of your species entirely. However, it is still in debate in just what areas in a species' evoltuion that Org. Mode will be available in. (Example: We know you will be able to as a typical creature, but what about when your species has developed sapience, and has technology and cities?) We KNOW you will not be able to access the interiors of buildings, unless we can find some sort of miracle cure for the toll it would take on your PC processor.



It will mainly be 3rd person, but I have suggested ways it could be (optionally) brought to 1st person.

InvaderZim wrote:

Organism mode is a mode in which you may take control of a member of your own species and roam the world. It will be more complex than Spore by a longshot, but less complex than reality, due to the limits of our own computers. It will be like Spore's Creature Stage in the sense that you control one of your species entirely. However, it is still in debate in just what areas in a species' evoltuion that Org. Mode will be available in. (Example: We know you will be able to as a typical creature, but what about when your species has developed sapience, and has technology and cities?) We KNOW you will not be able to access the interiors of buildings, unless we can find some sort of miracle cure for the toll it would take on your PC processor.



It will mainly be 3rd person, but I have suggested ways it could be (optionally) brought to 1st person.

Entering buildings? loading the interior of the building, in the background, when in range to open it's door. (and even then only loading half of the resources)

Smart loading and unloading of resources is a programmers friend.

Bashinerox wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

Organism mode is a mode in which you may take control of a member of your own species and roam the world. It will be more complex than Spore by a longshot, but less complex than reality, due to the limits of our own computers. It will be like Spore's Creature Stage in the sense that you control one of your species entirely. However, it is still in debate in just what areas in a species' evoltuion that Org. Mode will be available in. (Example: We know you will be able to as a typical creature, but what about when your species has developed sapience, and has technology and cities?) We KNOW you will not be able to access the interiors of buildings, unless we can find some sort of miracle cure for the toll it would take on your PC processor.



It will mainly be 3rd person, but I have suggested ways it could be (optionally) brought to 1st person.

Entering buildings? loading the interior of the building, in the background, when in range to open it's door. (and even then only loading half of the resources)

Smart loading and unloading of resources is a programmers friend.

I <3 this.
I knew there would be a cure for building entrance sickness.

Bashinerox wrote:

Entering buildings? loading the interior of the building, in the background, when in range to open it's door. (and even then only loading half of the resources)

Smart loading and unloading of resources is a programmers friend.

Well, that sounds good!




BUT, furniture ect.?

Entering buildings is possible! Hallelujah! Sounds like a great plan, Bashi.

InvaderZim wrote:

BUT, furniture ect.?

Procedurally generated?

Even if its just scaling premade furniture models to the correct size to accomidate the creature..

Bashinerox wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

BUT, furniture ect.?

Procedurally generated?

Even if its just scaling premade furniture models to the correct size to accomidate the creature..

What about shape of the creature, and the level of technology/intelligence?

InvaderZim wrote:

Bashinerox wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

BUT, furniture ect.?

Procedurally generated?

Even if its just scaling premade furniture models to the correct size to accomidate the creature..

What about shape of the creature, and the level of technology/intelligence?

Yeah, it's a challenge, but it's quite a while away at the same time

Bashinerox wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

Bashinerox wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

BUT, furniture ect.?

Procedurally generated?

Even if its just scaling premade furniture models to the correct size to accomidate the creature..

What about shape of the creature, and the level of technology/intelligence?

Yeah, it's a challenge, but it's quite a while away at the same time

Probably we can tag tech and creatures with dexterity, number of graspers, body plan, etc.

Well, this is obviously going to be difficult to make, but with the speed that technology is evolving, we should eventually be able to make agreat game!
It might just take a very long while...
But, hey, patience is a virtue!
-Waap.

Actually, much of what we'll have in the game will likely be produced by variables and scripts that are not the hardest thing for the average coder to make, and the planets will be produced either via editor, or plain erosion.

I imagine the hardest things to code will be the editors and physics.

It will take a while, but maybe not as long as we think.



EDIT: Also, about interiors of buildings...


How would the building's floor plan + number of floors, ect. work?

I think physics won't be hard, editors will most likely be the most difficult thing to code, since the player is creating lots of the code in game by adjusting variables and such.

InvaderZim wrote:

Actually, much of what we'll have in the game will likely be produced by variables and scripts that are not the hardest thing for the average coder to make, and the planets will be produced either via editor, or plain erosion.

I imagine the hardest things to code will be the editors and physics.

It will take a while, but maybe not as long as we think.

Really? Surely it would take at least ten years to make, starting from now-ish.
Or am I expecting over-complications that will not be that much of a problem? But then technology might NOT evolve quick enough!
I'm too negative, aren't I?
-Waap.

Well, I'd say 10 years is way too long to expect it, but 3 years is far too soon.

InvaderZim wrote:

Well, I'd say 10 years is way too long to expect it, but 3 years is far too soon.

5-7 maybe?

Yeah... Several years... Anyway... Moving on...


Can't furniture, particularly chairs, be make in an editor? Surely a test mode could handle it? Put tags for positions where certain body parts must go, and the game works out how the organism would be able to move to match up those positions in test mode. So the human gets feet matched up to the feet tag, bottom match to the bottom tag, back to the back tag, surely it can't be that hard for the game to work it out?

The Uteen wrote:

Yeah... Several years... Anyway... Moving on...


Can't furniture, particularly chairs, be make in an editor? Surely a test mode could handle it? Put tags for positions where certain body parts must go, and the game works out how the organism would be able to move to match up those positions in test mode. So the human gets feet matched up to the feet tag, bottom match to the bottom tag, back to the back tag, surely it can't be that hard for the game to work it out?

But a lot of players would not want to create every little bit of furniture for their people.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

The Uteen wrote:

Yeah... Several years... Anyway... Moving on...


Can't furniture, particularly chairs, be make in an editor? Surely a test mode could handle it? Put tags for positions where certain body parts must go, and the game works out how the organism would be able to move to match up those positions in test mode. So the human gets feet matched up to the feet tag, bottom match to the bottom tag, back to the back tag, surely it can't be that hard for the game to work it out?

But a lot of players would not want to create every little bit of furniture for their people.

Maybe it could be made procedurally by setting some simple and easily understandable parameters (I.E. use colors black, blue; use mostly squares; use material: cloth--30%)?

Wait, no, scratch that..

Noitulove wrote:

Maybe it could be made procedurally by setting some simple and easily understandable parameters (I.E. use colors black, blue; use mostly squares; use material: cloth--30%)?

Wait, no, scratch that..

What about being able to define the artistic styles in the Culture Editor (probably only once God Mode is unlocked). So then you could have things like 'Square-based' 'Curved' 'Minimalistic', etc.

The Uteen wrote:

Yeah... Several years... Anyway... Moving on...


Can't furniture, particularly chairs, be make in an editor? Surely a test mode could handle it? Put tags for positions where certain body parts must go, and the game works out how the organism would be able to move to match up those positions in test mode. So the human gets feet matched up to the feet tag, bottom match to the bottom tag, back to the back tag, surely it can't be that hard for the game to work it out?

I'm not sure that method would work. In my last big thing about the TE, i wrote up about how you could use a posable "manikin" of your creature to define how it would grip, sit down on, and interact with tech. I imagine for those playing in org mode, they'd have to do that for every Tech, though. Possibly, we could have a "bin" of ready-made parts in the OE that we would have already assigned grips and functions to a s manikins in the TE. I'm talking OE-made parts though, not spore Belgium.