Clothing

I... hope this is the right place for this. Per Alaska's request, here is a clothing discussion thread.


Discuss. Now.

InvaderZim wrote:

I... hope this is the right place for this. Per Alaska's request, here is a clothing discussion thread.

Discuss. Now.

Thankyou. Mind you, i don't have much to say other than Clothing should be handled in the Tech Editor, with physics acting on cloth if possible.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Thankyou. Mind you, i don't have much to say other than Clothing should be handled in the Tech Editor, with physics acting on cloth if possible.

I agree. Also, no physics on cloth= weird and unrealistic looking. So yes, if possible.

InvaderZim wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Thankyou. Mind you, i don't have much to say other than Clothing should be handled in the Tech Editor, with physics acting on cloth if possible.

I agree. Also, no physics on cloth= weird and unrealistic looking. So yes, if possible.

We can probably handle clothing as a soft body, but then it will only fold along polygonal creases. However, it may be possible to designate it as a material which has a "net" form, meaning flat surfaces will actually be a grid of square polys that can bend easily. Bring it up next time Bashi comes around.

Hrrmmm........What if....

As it's already been suggested, clothing is "painted" on with a white layer. After said clothing is painted on, the player can take their
mouse can tug on it in certain areas, making it drape on the creatures's body. This would be a way to make tight vs loose clothing.

Colors could just be painted on, or randomized.

Chameleonsushi580 wrote:

Hrrmmm........What if....

As it's already been suggested, clothing is "painted" on with a white layer. After said clothing is painted on, the player can take their
mouse can tug on it in certain areas, making it drape on the creatures's body. This would be a way to make tight vs loose clothing.

Colors could just be painted on, or randomized.

That's pretty cool. As for randomised paint schemes, how about clothes will also sometimes choose important colors, like the colors of your country- think American flag pants. Also, what if your species cannot see color? What'd that do to art and the color of clothes?

Physics? On hundreds of articles of clothing??? That's got to be the...

What kind of physics?

Why is it needed?

InvaderZim wrote:

Chameleonsushi580 wrote:

Hrrmmm........What if....

As it's already been suggested, clothing is "painted" on with a white layer. After said clothing is painted on, the player can take their
mouse can tug on it in certain areas, making it drape on the creatures's body. This would be a way to make tight vs loose clothing.

Colors could just be painted on, or randomized.

That's pretty cool. As for randomised paint schemes, how about clothes will also sometimes choose important colors, like the colors of your country- think American flag pants. Also, what if your species cannot see color? What'd that do to art and the color of clothes?

Mmmmm....I like that~....

If they couldn't see, maybe the clothing would be scented to represent "colors" on the player's screen? Sweet scents being pink, etc...

roadkillguy wrote:

Physics? On hundreds of articles of clothing??? That's got to be the...

What kind of physics?

Why is it needed?

Basically, I was thinking of having clothing that is made of a cloth a very flexible soft body, so it would be affected by physics in a way similar to regular clothing. However, LOD could probably disregard clothing physics from a certain distance to keep things simple.

~sciocont wrote:

roadkillguy wrote:

Physics? On hundreds of articles of clothing??? That's got to be the...

What kind of physics?

Why is it needed?

Basically, I was thinking of having clothing that is made of a cloth a very flexible soft body, so it would be affected by physics in a way similar to regular clothing. However, LOD could probably disregard clothing physics from a certain distance to keep things simple.

That makes sense. It'd probably go away from around... fifty yards' distance?

So essentially we have to emulate baggy clothing? I guess we'll see.. Do we HAVE to zoom in that close to begin with?

Let's see.

Soft-body physics. with full collisions on the body everywhere.

We could simulate maybe..... 1 creature at a time before the cpu catches fire?

Soft-body physics in games will almost never collide with anything. you know, like bandanas on characters and whatnot.

Clothing movements would have to be precalculated and baked into the animations.

InvaderZim wrote:

That makes sense. It'd probably go away from around... fifty yards' distance?

50 yards = to ? meters??

please use measurements in the SI( International System of Units)... unless you don't want to

eumesmo wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

That makes sense. It'd probably go away from around... fifty yards' distance?

50 yards = to ? meters??

please use measurements in the SI( International System of Units)... unless you don't want to

I think yards and meters are pretty dang close, but I'm not very good with the metric system.

InvaderZim wrote:

eumesmo wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

That makes sense. It'd probably go away from around... fifty yards' distance?

50 yards = to ? meters??

please use measurements in the SI( International System of Units)... unless you don't want to

I think yards and meters are pretty dang close, but I'm not very good with the metric system.

I think you guys are missing the point.

Bashinerox wrote:

We could simulate maybe..... 1 creature at a time before the cpu catches fire?

Bashinerox wrote:

We could simulate maybe..... 1 creature at a time before the cpu catches fire?

It'd probably go away from around... 50 centimeters' distance? :/

InvaderZim wrote:

Bashinerox wrote:

We could simulate maybe..... 1 creature at a time before the cpu catches fire?

It'd probably go away from around... 50 centimeters' distance? :/

Then we can remove it alltogether and do it like how Bashi said.

Bashinerox wrote:

Clothing movements would have to be precalculated and baked into the animations.

That's actually a really good idea.

Lets say, once the player makes clothing, the system runs through all the different animations most creatures are going through during their life cycles, then adds the clothing. It records these new animations as being attached to the clothing.

Only a couple problems I forsee:

1. Physics might look a bit wonky if say, it's horridly blustery and the clothes blow in the wrong direction. Minor issue.

2. Even after sentience is gained, the critters still have auto-evo running, to my knowledge. What happens when a peice of clothing no longer fits?

If you have sapient species, the rate at they evolve is so slow it's not actually visible.

Other than that, I agree.

Commander Keen wrote:

If you have sapient species, the rate at they evolve is so slow it's not actually visible.

Other than that, I agree.

Perhaps, but my question still stands. What happens if the clothing no longer fits? Like if you merely have a really fat critter?

Yeah, it's a problem. Simply scaling up the clothes don't work, because the critter is fatter but not taller.

InvaderZim wrote:

Bashinerox wrote:

We could simulate maybe..... 1 creature at a time before the cpu catches fire?

It'd probably go away from around... 50 centimeters' distance? :/

We could just not bother with clothing physics. Is it possible to have them define a few different motions in the TE test environment and then have the clothing simulated in there and its movements imported into the game?

~sciocont wrote:

InvaderZim wrote:

Bashinerox wrote:

We could simulate maybe..... 1 creature at a time before the cpu catches fire?

It'd probably go away from around... 50 centimeters' distance? :/

We could just not bother with clothing physics. Is it possible to have them define a few different motions in the TE test environment and then have the clothing simulated in there and its movements imported into the game?

Sure.

I think an easy way to make clothes fit you creature is to have have select option, where you place lines on where you would like the sleeves of the clothes to end, and choose the color and texture

Like for a tiger, you would put the select thing on the knees, the neck and the tail.

Cool idea.