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 God Tool Availability In Sandbox

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What method should we use?
All god tools available from the start.
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Only the Game Creator tools should be available to begin with.
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All tools unlock to use, GC tools gained through Sandbox achievements.
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 15% [ 5 ]
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PostSubject: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:46 pm

So, my question today is, should all God Tools be available in Sandbox from the very first play?

This is based on the current idea of God Tools being gained by sending God Machines through the ascension gate to unlock them, god tools being 'ascended machines', to clear any confusion on that subject.

So, the options are:

Yes, they should all be available from the start of Sandbox. Only in Sandbox, the main game you would still have to unlock them. While this might seem good at first glance, it will mean as soon as a player ascends, they will probably forget about the main game and just use Sandbox, meaning anything in the main game after ascension will just be unimportant.

Only the Game Creator tools, so the normal tools will have to be unlocked in the main game, but the game creator tools are available in Sandbox right from the start, with no unlocking required.

No, they should all be unlocked to use. This means the game creator tools are unlocked through achievements gained through gameplay in Sandbox. I came up with some achievements we could use, in this thread, if you want an idea of the kind we could have.

So they are the options, choose carefully. And don't worry, you can change your vote.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:00 pm

The whole point of introducing Ascension was to delay giving people God tools, so they the game properly at least one. Voting for the second option.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:00 am

Commander Keen wrote:
The whole point of introducing Ascension was to delay giving people God tools, so they the game properly at least one. Voting for the second option.

CMD Keen is correct

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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:01 pm

I voted for the first option: the sandbox is a creation tool, so players should be able to play it without playing the whole game.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:12 pm

I'm still not sure on this one.

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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:06 pm

I think the player should have to ascend one race. But once this is done, everything is unlocked for the sandbox.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:00 pm

even if i have voted the 3 option i changed my mind and prefer 2 option
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:34 pm

US_of_Alaska wrote:
I think the player should have to ascend one race. But once this is done, everything is unlocked for the sandbox.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:07 pm

IMO, players should just start out with all of the tools in Sandbox, because that's what it is- a Sandbox mode. It wouldn't really be a sandbox mode if you had such limited options.

I, for one, wouldn't want to have to do the hardest thing in the game, after who knows how many hours of play time, especially with how awesome the sandbox sounds.

It just seems kind of mean to me to tell the player, "Sorry, nope. You can't use this yet, you're not good enough."

And so what if they just want to play the sandbox? If they just want to play it, then don't turn them away by forcing them to do something they don't want to. It all just seems kinda... Mean, really.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:11 pm

We could have a cheat-code or a toggle for that, though. That way the option would be there, but the idea that it is "cheating" might enforce a little willpower for those who really would like to have a goal at the end.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:39 am

So we'll have a cheat code to unlock the complete Sandbox... Sounds fair, if they can't be bothered to do the game, they have the Sandbox. As long as it remains 'officially' the prize for completing the game, people should still play it properly.

That way, you can get it whenever you want, but if you get it early... You feel the guilt.



So... Is this the plan, then?:

Unlocking Sandbox

Option 1: Achieve ascension, then as you unlock each god tool in game, they become available to you.

Option 2: Cheat and get everything straight away.

Option ( ) 3: Achieve ascension, then cheat, and you basically get every tool straight away, but you still need ascension. Less cheat, less guilt, less time. But still some guilt.



Does that sound good to everyone?


Oh, and creator tools will be available to begin with without cheating.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:35 pm

The Uteen wrote:
So we'll have a cheat code to unlock the complete Sandbox... Sounds fair, if they can't be bothered to do the game, they have the Sandbox. As long as it remains 'officially' the prize for completing the game, people should still play it properly.

That way, you can get it whenever you want, but if you get it early... You feel the guilt.



So... Is this the plan, then?:

Unlocking Sandbox

Option 1: Achieve ascension, then as you unlock each god tool in game, they become available to you.

Option 2: Cheat and get everything straight away.

Option ( ) 3: Achieve ascension, then cheat, and you basically get every tool straight away, but you still need ascension. Less cheat, less guilt, less time. But still some guilt.



Does that sound good to everyone?


Oh, and creator tools will be available to begin with without cheating.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:43 am

Excellent. I agree with that.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:19 am

Approved.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:43 pm

I think you should have to "beat the game" or do something special to unlock sandbox mode. Then you should unlock the God tools as they are unlocked in-game.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:35 am

That was the decision…
Do you mean you think we shouldn't allow cheats, then? Despite the penalty that your soul will be forever blackened by their use?
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:26 pm

The Uteen wrote:
That was the decision…
Do you mean you think we shouldn't allow cheats, then? Despite the penalty that your soul will be forever blackened by their use?
I think that cheats should be allowed. I was just adding another post to reinforce the decision.
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PostSubject: Re: God Tool Availability In Sandbox   Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:50 am

AlexaiZ wrote:
The Uteen wrote:
That was the decision…
Do you mean you think we shouldn't allow cheats, then? Despite the penalty that your soul will be forever blackened by their use?
I think that cheats should be allowed. I was just adding another post to reinforce the decision.
Ah… Did you by any chance miss the date on the last post? That decision has raised and felled civilisations in the time gap.
But thanks, anyway.
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