Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread

While this is a good question, this belongs on the misc. thread, not a new one.

I thought about that, but settled with an own thread, as I think this is a pretty big factor.
If mods disagree, feel free to lock it and I will pose the question in that thread instead.

I think that you should choose some parameters, but not to specific.
Like this.
Type: Terrestrial planet/Icy moon/Gas giant
Distance: Close/Mid/Far within the habitable zone for planets or Close/Mid/Far within the whole system for a moon, as they can be kept hot through tidal forces.
Size: Big/Mid/Small
Gravity: High/Mid/Low
Axial tilt: No/Low/Mid/High/Extreme

Or maybe use sliders and randomize within a certain range of the sliders of each parameter.

What about the domestication of plants and animals?

I meant to post this in the misc sorry

No worries, a dev can move it. And to answer your question, domestication is a planned feature, crops I don't know.

Dalroc wrote:

I thought about that, but settled with an own thread, as I think this is a pretty big factor.
If mods disagree, feel free to lock it and I will pose the question in that thread instead.

For next time; it's better if you first post it on the misc thread, and then if it deserves its own thread a mod can THEN move it to its own thread.

@Other members:
this applies to everyone else to, it's better if you first post it on the misc thread, and then if it deserves its own thread a mod can THEN move it to its own thread.

Dalroc wrote:

I think that you should choose some parameters, but not to specific.
Like this.
Type: Terrestrial planet/Icy moon/Gas giant
Distance: Close/Mid/Far within the habitable zone for planets or Close/Mid/Far within the whole system for a moon, as they can be kept hot through tidal forces.
Size: Big/Mid/Small
Gravity: High/Mid/Low
Axial tilt: No/Low/Mid/High/Extreme

Or maybe use sliders and randomize within a certain range of the sliders of each parameter.

The size option's a pretty good idea (of computer memory reasons), about the others; you'll get such powers when you unlock 'god mode/tools'.

Cellular Dinosaur wrote:

If so...    MWAHAHAHA, RISE MY PRETTIES, RISE AND TAKE OVER THRIVE, MWAHAHAHA!

Please try to keep discussion constructive.

Dalroc wrote:

I thought about that, but settled with an own thread, as I think this is a pretty big factor.

Big or small, it needs to be asked in your intro thread or the misc thread, to confirm whether it has been discussed before. That is the case right here. There is no need for this because there is already an amazingly detailed planet generation system made by ExtraSolar here. Please do research before posting.

Thriving Cheese wrote:

For next time; it's better if you first post it on the misc thread, and then if it deserves its own thread a mod can THEN move it to its own thread.

Ahh, ok :)Splicing threads is usually not prefered over merging threads, in other forums I regularly visit. But I will keep this in mind!

Thriving Cheese wrote:

The size option's a pretty good idea (of computer memory reasons), about the others; you'll get such powers when you unlock 'god mode/tools'.

I am aware of this, but I'm talking about your starting world. When you are just a microbe, far from the all mighty god tools.
It is not that you should be able to sculpture the whole landscapes and do whatever you want with the starting planet. But I should be able to choose if I want to be in a colder world or on a moon instead of a planet and so on.

NickTheNick wrote:

Big or small, it needs to be asked in your intro thread or the misc thread, to confirm whether it has been discussed before. That is the case right here. There is no need for this because there is already an amazingly detailed planet generation system made by ExtraSolar here. Please do research before posting.

No, that is not the case. I've seen this planet generation system, but there it nowhere states how much influence you will have over your homeplanet. Where you will be stranded for the major part of the game.
I feel that you are not grasping my question here.

God tools and the planet generation system is irrelevant here. Sure the planet generation system will be used to generate the planet, but the question is, do you have any choosing powers over your starting planet?
This is an important question, as you could then maybe create a hardmode planet for yourself.
Close to the star so it's hot, an extreme axial tilt so the climate is irregular over the surface, high gravity and a small planet where there is bigger competition for food.

PS. Heh, I couldn't even QUOTE a link, because I'm a new member ^^

NickTheNick wrote:

Cellular Dinosaur wrote:

If so...    MWAHAHAHA, RISE MY PRETTIES, RISE AND TAKE OVER THRIVE, MWAHAHAHA!

Please try to keep discussion constructive.

 So Nick, will we be able to make a mind controlling fungus like the cordyceps?

Dalroc wrote:

No, that is not the case. I've seen this planet generation system, but there it nowhere states how much influence you will have over your homeplanet. Where you will be stranded for the major part of the game.
I feel that you are not grasping my question here.

Your homeplanet will be randomized upon start (using a habitable world from the PPG results), until after several releases we will make the full game, where the player will start with the galaxy in a sandbox mode, and can use God Tools as their whim to change what they want. when finished, they then select one of the planets in the galaxy to start on.

Dalroc wrote:

God tools and the planet generation system is irrelevant here. Sure the planet generation system will be used to generate the planet, but the question is, do you have any choosing powers over your starting planet?
This is an important question, as you could then maybe create a hardmode planet for yourself.
Close to the star so it's hot, an extreme axial tilt so the climate is irregular over the surface, high gravity and a small planet where there is bigger competition for food.

They are actually relevant here. Planet gen is necessary to create the galaxy in the first place, and in later releases God Tools are what are used to edit the galaxy before you start.

Atrox_Somnium wrote:

NickTheNick wrote:

Cellular Dinosaur wrote:

If so...    MWAHAHAHA, RISE MY PRETTIES, RISE AND TAKE OVER THRIVE, MWAHAHAHA!

Please try to keep discussion constructive.

 So Nick, will we be able to make a mind controlling fungus like the cordyceps?

Should be possible, but that would be something for later releases. There are a great many things possible in nature, and we only see a small spectrum of it today on Earth, so there is always research to be done in adding more concepts and systems. However, I don't think such a thing will be in any early releases. Also, I think zombie apocalypses is taking it too far.

NickTheNick wrote:

Your homeplanet will be randomized upon start (using a habitable world from the PPG results), until after several releases we will make the full game, where the player will start with the galaxy in a sandbox mode, and can use God Tools as their whim to change what they want. when finished, they then select one of the planets in the galaxy to start on.

Ok, this seems legit, to leave it for later releases! But isn't all of the god tools a little bit to much power over your starting planet? ^^ There should still be some randomization I think!
Also, I thought sandbox was unlocked first after ascension? Giving sandbox capabilites and god tools form the go seems to be suicide for all other parts of the game..

NickTheNick wrote:

They are actually relevant here. Planet gen is necessary to create the galaxy in the first place, and in later releases God Tools are what are used to edit the galaxy before you start.

Of course it is relevant to the actual generation of planets and stars.. I said so too in the quoted post ^^
I just mean it is irrelevant to talk about the PPG, for this particular question.

I too am under the impression God Mode/ Sandbox are unlocked after ascension, if not I strongly feel they should be.

Well, we could just plop a random button there next to the options for customization.

Immortal_Dragon wrote:

Well, we could just plop a random button there next to the options for customization.

So I either have to choose between finetuning a planet or getting a completly randomized planet?
That's no good..

Really, your homeplanet should not be open for tinkering and planetengineering (until acsension is reached).. That is stupid :/
But you should be able to set simple, basic parameters if you want to.

I didn't say anything to choosing between such extremes only, my mental image was three sets, the basic parameters like you said, an advanced options, and then the simple random like I posted earlier.

NickTheNick wrote:

Atrox_Somnium wrote:

NickTheNick wrote:

Cellular Dinosaur wrote:

If so...    MWAHAHAHA, RISE MY PRETTIES, RISE AND TAKE OVER THRIVE, MWAHAHAHA!

Please try to keep discussion constructive.

 So Nick, will we be able to make a mind controlling fungus like the cordyceps?

Should be possible, but that would be something for later releases. There are a great many things possible in nature, and we only see a small spectrum of it today on Earth, so there is always research to be done in adding more concepts and systems. However, I don't think such a thing will be in any early releases. Also, I think zombie apocalypses is taking it too far.  

 I think a zombie apocalypse may have been established already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyjpqDWsaE

Dalroc wrote:

So I either have to choose between finetuning a planet or getting a completly randomized planet?
That's no good..

NickTheNick wrote:

Your homeplanet will be randomized upon start (using a habitable world from the PPG results), until after several releases we will make the full game, where the player will start with the galaxy in a sandbox mode, and can use God Tools as their whim to change what they want. When finished, they then select one of the planets in the galaxy to start on.

Dalroc wrote:

Really, your homeplanet should not be open for tinkering and planetengineering (until acsension is reached).. That is stupid :/
But you should be able to set simple, basic parameters if you want to.

It is not stupid, it is to allow players to customize their galaxy if they want to before they start playing. If you don't want it to be open for tinkering or planetengineering, then just don't do that. Just start right away. There is nothing forcing you to customize it.

NickTheNick wrote:

It is not stupid, it is to allow players to customize their galaxy if they want to before they start playing. If you don't want it to be open for tinkering or planetengineering, then just don't do that. Just start right away. There is nothing forcing you to customize it.

I find it stupid :P 
Really defeats it's own purpose with reaching acsension, if you can sculpture the world as you like before you start anyway. :evil: 

Ugh, I can feel a headache coming on just reading this bickering.

Dalroc, read the entire post, Nick pretty much confirmed the option to leave the galaxy alone before playing.

Yes, I know how to read. I am still entitled to my opinion that it is a stupid idea and have my right to express my reasons why.

Letting you modify your galaxy beforehand, is like letting a newly aware spieces build an aeroplane directly, to get around everywhere. I mean, you don't HAVE to use the aeroplane, but it's there..
It defeats the purpose of evolving your spieces further if you get the tools from scratch..
Going in and creating perfect planetary systems, all close to you. Make sure your startsystem has alot of minable asteroid belts and planets.
It defeats the whole purpose of the game.

Now, noone has actually given a response to my thoughts, only said "but you don't have to". That is not satisfactory..
Sure, fine if that is how it is implemented, but then give some good reasons for it! Why should you be able to tinker your whole galaxy as a god, before you've even started the game? It is counterproductive to the rest of the game.

EDIT: Why does my inbox keep getting spammed with emails because people post in watched topics? I've disabled it and double checked that it is off 2-3 times, but it keeps sending me mails, clogging up my inbox!

Dalroc wrote:

Yes, I know how to read. I am still entitled to my opinion that it is a stupid idea and have my right to express my reasons why.

Letting you modify your galaxy beforehand, is like letting a newly aware spieces build an aeroplane directly, to get around everywhere. I mean, you don't HAVE to use the aeroplane, but it's there..
It defeats the purpose of evolving your spieces further if you get the tools from scratch..
Going in and creating perfect planetary systems, all close to you. Make sure your startsystem has alot of minable asteroid belts and planets.
It defeats the whole purpose of the game.

Now, noone has actually given a response to my thoughts, only said "but you don't have to". That is not satisfactory..
Sure, fine if that is how it is implemented, but then give some good reasons for it! Why should you be able to tinker your whole galaxy as a god, before you've even started the game? It is counterproductive to the rest of the game.


EDIT: Why does my inbox keep getting spammed with emails because people post in watched topics? I've disabled it and double checked that it is off 2-3 times, but it keeps sending me mails, clogging up my inbox!

 He's got a point. When we first showed up in the universe (and everything else for that matter), we had no ability to decide or even know what environments we would encounter. What we had to do was evolve and adapt to all the different environments we were placed in. We didn't choose. I think this should be the same for Thrive.

P.S. I'm sorry Immortal_Dragon, if I added on to the headache.

I'm actually in favour of Dalroc's opinion, whereby the starting planet is randomised. It would keep consistent with the ethos of evolution, as you'd have to work out how to evolve appropriately and effectively to survive on your planet as you find out what sort of terrain and conditions it has. However, it doesn't really bother me which we choose, as players could just choose to randomise their planet without a preview either way, so I agree with Nick's last point.

Dalroc, try going to the topics where you keep getting posts from. 'Stop watching this topic for replies,' is probably written in the bottom corner of those topics. If not, then I'm not sure why it would be happening.

EDIT: 238th post! I'm now on the top 20 all time posters list. :D 

I can see Dalroc's reasoning now, and I have to say I agree, sure the option would be cool, but my personal ruling as a gamer would be to use the random option.

P.S: Don't worry about it Atrox_Somnium, it was just the bickering back and forth in general I didn't like, I wanted to try to put a stop to it, not add on. (Well, in my mind it was arguing.)