Miscellaneous Bugs And Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread

Adding on to that, what WILL go down with the galactic core?

possibly make a planet orbiting the core, and that planet will hold the Ascension gate?

Hughie72 wrote:

Any Information about Ascension?

What will we be able to do?

Can i create a species out of nothing?


....Can i make a disco star?

1. From what I know, not TOO much discussion has revolved around ascension (though I haven't searched for any threads yet), but it is decided that after your species becomes Barney-Qs or whatever else your race will be, you can pretty much do anything.

2. If you are ascended, yeah, probably.

3. If you did, nearby aliens could never stop partying. This would cause a tear in the space-time continuum and ultimately destroy the universe. Though you could probably still do it.

Hughie72 wrote:

Adding on to that, what WILL go down with the galactic core?

possibly make a planet orbiting the core, and that planet will hold the Ascension gate?

1. Once again, haven't heard any discussion, but I haven't searched the forums yet. Though it is a good idea to house the ascension gate near the center of the galaxy. Though I feel that it shouldn't really be in any defined place, and finding it is the challenge. Sometimes it may be on your planet's moon, other times, on the other side of the galaxy.

I thought the point of the Ascension Gate was that you build it. Or did I misread?

StealthStyle L wrote:

I thought the point of the Ascension Gate was that you build it. Or did I misread?

I don't think so. Maybe, though.

Scottnov wrote:

StealthStyle L wrote:

I thought the point of the Ascension Gate was that you build it. Or did I misread?

I don't think so. Maybe, though.

Well, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be built (something that turns you into living energy probably wouldn't show up in nature), but it'd need a colossal energy source... A super-massive black hole COULD do the trick, if that's how they work. Not to mention the energy needed for the God Tools, although the player, being living energy at that point, could power them himself/herself.

another idea that popped into my head.

What about enslaving other races?

also, one thing that nagged me about spore is that in the tribal stage, there are tribes of different species, but when the Civ stages comes about, the other species tribes just disappear.

Adding onto that, what about multi species empires?

Hughie72 wrote:

Adding onto that, what about multi species empires?

Didn't you ask this yesterday?

....maybe.

Just a black hole? That's to easy the player will be able to do that within 5 mins of the game, we need the player to need multiple sources! The player needs to be able to learn how to sustain a star forever which is the one of the highest techs. Using this power the player pumps a super red giant to make it survive and grow into the ultra super omega red giant which the core will have stable isotopes of atoms with huge atomic masses. Using this you will have to use the isotopes to knock super black holes into each other. When the black hole stops decaying you are left with a super-massive radioactive that emits a ultra particle, when this particle reacts with neutrons it gives off a particle with a negative mass which as everyone knows is used to make worm holes. Then you have to use this until you find a worm hole that leads to a universe where anti-matter dominates. You then have to do this enough until you open a worm hole into a anti-matter super giant. When your scientists have discovered the higher levels of physical dimensions they will created a huge 9d printer able of moving and placing photons in a crystal arrangement, using this technology combined with the large amount of special particles the player can create the "tesseract". The tesseract can then be tuned to create a ultra dense particle field that doesn't interact with anything but a single material which will be used in the generators for infinite power in a very tiny area. We then use this to open the Ascension Gate which is a time portal where they can take any technology with them including all kinda of strange anti-matter technology and any particle fields that the player can create with the 9d printer. Best of all the player doesn't even realize what hes doing because its normal tech, the tree to get the 9d printer allows the player to get lightsaber like weapons and armor, creating high isotopes with the supernova gives the player's space ships or cities infinite power. And the tesseract gives the entire universe infinite energy. The accension gate allows you to warp to any stage giving new game+ with new special parts, and if you get new game+ again, you fight ai with the new super op parts. AND THERE WILL BE ZOMBIE DRAGONS!

earthium prime wrote:

Just a black hole? That's to easy the player will be able to do that within 5 mins of the game, we need the player to need multiple sources! The player needs to be able to learn how to sustain a star forever which is the one of the highest techs. Using this power the player pumps a super red giant to make it survive and grow into the ultra super omega red giant which the core will have stable isotopes of atoms with huge atomic masses. Using this you will have to use the isotopes to knock super black holes into each other. When the black hole stops decaying you are left with a super-massive radioactive that emits a ultra particle, when this particle reacts with neutrons it gives off a particle with a negative mass which as everyone knows is used to make worm holes. Then you have to use this until you find a worm hole that leads to a universe where anti-matter dominates. You then have to do this enough until you open a worm hole into a anti-matter super giant. When your scientists have discovered the higher levels of physical dimensions they will created a huge 9d printer able of moving and placing photons in a crystal arrangement, using this technology combined with the large amount of special particles the player can create the "tesseract". The tesseract can then be tuned to create a ultra dense particle field that doesn't interact with anything but a single material which will be used in the generators for infinite power in a very tiny area. We then use this to open the Ascension Gate which is a time portal where they can take any technology with them including all kinda of strange anti-matter technology and any particle fields that the player can create with the 9d printer. Best of all the player doesn't even realize what hes doing because its normal tech, the tree to get the 9d printer allows the player to get lightsaber like weapons and armor, creating high isotopes with the supernova gives the player's space ships or cities infinite power. And the tesseract gives the entire universe infinite energy. The accension gate allows you to warp to any stage giving new game+ with new special parts, and if you get new game+ again, you fight ai with the new super op parts. AND THERE WILL BE ZOMBIE DRAGONS!

Everything you just said makes so much sense to me.

MitochondriaBox wrote:

Scottnov wrote:

StealthStyle L wrote:

I thought the point of the Ascension Gate was that you build it. Or did I misread?

I don't think so. Maybe, though.

Well, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be built (something that turns you into living energy probably wouldn't show up in nature), but it'd need a colossal energy source... A super-massive black hole COULD do the trick, if that's how they work. Not to mention the energy needed for the God Tools, although the player, being living energy at that point, could power them himself/herself.

I always thought the ascension gate wasn't really created by any race. It's some sort of strange technology that appears to have been around since the universe itself. It might be cool, though, if you needed to develop some sort of really advanced "key" or something to open and use it.

I feel like its a cheap way just to find it. Seems illogical to find something that would need to be that ordered in space. Its like going to the beach and finding a watch, someone had to make it and leave it there, the other option is that the beach made it, there would be some form or process evident to see how it was made or by who.

My insane statement was on the player making it from strange materials and how. This shouldn't be something that can be made in a lab using anything normal.

Also if the ascension gate is like god mode, or sandbox mode the player will get bored in like 30 minutes which is why I said have it a new game+ with op, but not godly parts, and then play against the ai with these parts.
The possibility arises where you can transport the play into a new dimension where anything goes, the world could be a big geode and you move around on the inside of it, and you burrow out and the space their is bright white. We don't know anything about a dimension where the physics are different.

Earthium Prime wrote:

RedBull Squared:

Well, I wouldn't call it- 5 minutes? I- hey, where'd they get the hydr- do those even exi- wait, there's only one galax- "super massive radioactive" wha- hold on, negative m- actually, tiny worm- hold on, this is getting- ain't 9d a bit mu- ph- what special parti- ain't those 4D figu- so basically- but isn't that imp- time portal? That's n- lightsabers?! Y'know, that would co- might as well have a Wall of Fl- what do you mean by AI- Zombie Drago- MOLLUCK ON A MOPED, SLOW DOWN!!!! Sheesh. You're acting like Uteen on rocket fuel.

So, I assume you're joking? I mean, it probably wouldn't be too hard to code, just a few decades. No big deal.

EDIT: And I do agree that reaching the pinnacle should be no easy task, but it just needs to take a while. Otherwise, the player'll lose interest. Thinking back to that Wall of Flesh reference, well, we could compare Ascension to the Terra Blade; it's the zenith of all the player's accomplishments, but the question is whether things are paced well enough to get there. I think getting the technology to harness black hole energy and transferring minds into machines would work as a minimum; the player would just need to make something that does the same with energy, then power it with the galactic core. Of course, going beyond that could make it either interesting or boring.

It was a tongue and cheek post explaining how one would craft an ascension gate, and the technology tree required in which to do so. Explaining in full detail would take several pages. There is a lot of knowledge you would have to know and apply to understand what I said.

For example Einstein-Rosen Bridge is something in reality that can make wormholes, in order for it to work you need a particle with negative mass.

My "9d" printer is something I made up which is an advanced 3d printer, capable of printing like a regular 3d printer but on the quantum level. The d stands for dimensions, the 9 part comes from an documentary on string theory where they said there was 9 dimensions. (documentary is outdated it is widely accepted that they're are 11 dimensions)

AI stands for artificial intelligent, it refers to how the enemies move and interact in the video game.

Tesseract while yes is a 4d object, it is also a source of tremendous power in the avengers movie, capable of opening portals, which in this case I used to power the Ascension gate.

Ascension Gate I am not sure what thrive's Ascension gate is, but I made mine a time portal in which the player can go back in time, in short throw a bunch of technology in and start a new game+. Rather then giving the player god mode they would have a choice to start a new game (which would create a separate file they can return to the space stage at any time) This new file would give the player items and parts most of which would be really powerful, but not godlike.

The lightsabers would be created by the "9d" printer, which I said works by being able to place photons (light particles) in a crystal structure, which would create solid light. A lightsaber is a weapon of solid light contained from shooting out into space.

Earthium Prime wrote:

It was a tongue and cheek post explaining how one would craft an ascension gate, and the technology tree required in which to do so. Explaining in full detail would take several pages. There is a lot of knowledge you would have to know and apply to understand what I said.

Well, the sheer insanity made for most of the humor!

Earthium Prime wrote:

For example Einstein-Rosen Bridge is something in reality that can make wormholes, in order for it to work you need a particle with negative mass.

Hm. What I was just about to bring up before I dashed it (literally) is those theorized tiny wormholes I heard of on TV, which pop up only to collapse. Of course, with so much energy at one's disposal...

Earthium Prime wrote:

My "9d" printer is something I made up which is an advanced 3d printer, capable of printing like a regular 3d printer but on the quantum level. The d stands for dimensions, the 9 part comes from an documentary on string theory where they said there was 9 dimensions. (documentary is outdated it is widely accepted that they're are 11 dimensions)

Hmm, interesting. Y'know, I actually saw a 3D printer available for sale not too long ago in an electronics store... $759 or so, I think. Box-shaped, had two coils of material attached to the back (one orange, one white), and something it made inside it as a demonstration (looked like an orange infinity symbol). Pretty clunky looking, and there was a sticker warning about it overheating, but it'll be great seeing these things advance in the future. Can't say for sure what this means to countries dependent on manufacturing, though...

Earthium Prime wrote:

AI stands for artificial intelligent, it refers to how the enemies move and interact in the video game.

Yep, just wondering how the AI would change is all.

Earthium Prime wrote:

Tesseract while yes is a 4d object, it is also a source of tremendous power in the avengers movie, capable of opening portals, which in this case I used to power the Ascension gate.

Could bring the other Infinity Stones into this as well. Why not? Or cross things over with Interstellar instead.

Earthium Prime wrote:

Ascension Gate I am not sure what thrive's Ascension gate is, but I made mine a time portal in which the player can go back in time, in short throw a bunch of technology in and start a new game+. Rather then giving the player god mode they would have a choice to start a new game (which would create a separate file they can return to the space stage at any time) This new file would give the player items and parts most of which would be really powerful, but not godlike.

Apparently, the Ascension Gate is what the player uses to go into Sandbox Mode (i.e. "God Mode"), where he/she uses the god tools his/her species has built to manipulate the universe in any way desireable. One can also "possess" any living creature to go into organism mode at any time, as well as return to managing the player's species in strategy mode.

Earthium Prime wrote:

The lightsabers would be created by the "9d" printer, which I said works by being able to place photons (light particles) in a crystal structure, which would create solid light. A lightsaber is a weapon of solid light contained from shooting out into space.

Pretty famous, these things. Pretty sure they're made of "frozen" plasma in the actual Star Wars lore, but I'd say anything goes with these things as long as they're lightsaber-ey. Not too sure if it'd make it into the "practical" range unless battle armor at that point blocks most of everything else.

Oliveriver wrote:

Not to dampen your spirits or anything, but this is exactly the sort of conversation appropriate for our subreddit and ridiculously out-of-place for the forums.

Since the dev team is still working on the microbe stage, I think we may need to hold off on late-game stuff till we get there.

MitochondriaBox wrote:

silas4000 wrote:

Quick question... I've been dieing to ask this question WILL We have species types? as in Say a group of species can be insectoid where instead of normal feats of reproduction we have A hive with a queen that creates a eggsack and this hive possesas swarm intellegnence rather than standard. (sorry for asking if it was already asked) Just wanted to know so I could make a xenomorph like creature.

... Errm, I think you're talking taxonomy, as in insects or reptiles or mammals. Really, the only thing determining that stuff is who's descended from who, so your planet'll have some unique taxonomies.

What you're saying about hive insects and xenomorphs is eusociality. Did you know that naked mole rats do that, too? Yep. Pretty sure it'll be in Thrive. If it can happen with insects and mammals, who knows where it'll show up in your planet's taxonomies?

What I mean is that Taking insperation from creatures like Xenomorphs or the Zerg and tyranaids Building a hive directed by a hive mind or a queen this creatures could be like giant bees or normal bees and in the more advanced stages would it be possible to create Biologcial buildings or a "hive resin" which would spread around covering the surrounding enviorments in Which your queen or other reproducing species could lay eggs on. Going along with a similar parasite idea to a xenomorph it would be like a infestation. Also going along with this would it be possible to have "hive casts" evolutions in your species that would be slightly diffrent to work for the hive possibly a fighter caste or a gaurdian cast instead of tanks and such you could have giant fighter casts ect? Mabey on the resin you could put a builder cast to create a biological building I know its a bit radical but its just a thought. Also Instead of standard weapons what about Bio-weapons which would be evolutions to adapt as like acid shooters on your back ect.

Edit: What I met by swarm intellegence is species shareing a phsycic link so they could hear eachothers thoughts and act as one And mabey the queen or the hive mind could oversee these creatures and command them all at once from a stationary area while the Queen lays eggs or the overmind feeds. Possibly to enhance the connection their could be a link cast which has a stronger mind and connection to the leader of said hive so it could increase the command in long distances such as over space or on the otherside of the planet.

Will there be a stage or a part of a stage where your creature becomes a fish? Like that Aquatic stage that never got released

Fangchamp wrote:

Will there be a stage or a part of a stage where your creature becomes a fish? Like that Aquatic stage that never got released

Stages in Thrive aren't really like in Spore. In Thrive, it's pretty seamless. The 2 biggest "animal" stages, multicellular and aware, have a seamless transition in that multicellular leads into aware once your animal becomes intelligent enough. What this means is that you could stay an aquatic creature for both of those stages if you wanted, but you would have to become amphibious or evolve to survive on land to progress further. So yes, in a way.

@MitoBox: That's just a lower-end printer, there are loads of industrial and research printers capable of much much more, and looking waaay slicker too.

@silas:
We plan to have castes, which are subgroups within your species that can develop differently. Obviously, there's a larger and larger evolutionary cost the more differently these castes develop (since you must evolve one feature in one caste without losing another in another). Queen bees, soldier ants, sexual dimorphism, sequential hermaphroditism, all through castes. Environment modification, whether like beavers, termites, or your proposed hive resin (how would that even work? we aren't a biological fantasy fridge horror game, I want defensible science before I even consider the possibility of putting some sort of tyranid mycetic blight into the game), is something we will probably have to put into the game somehow (though your hive resin would likely not make it in -- even if it wasn't total voodoo fake science, we have an infinitude of things that are actually realistic to work on first). Biological buildings, if formed out of the bodies of organisms, are like castes -- you'd need to evolve that sort of structure, and have one caste able to metamorphose into the building. Technically doable within the prospective game mechanics, but seriously, this is evolutionarily a massive waste, not so much a dead end, but something that would likely never be evolved. It's so much simpler to use available materials (or even materials produced by the species) to build structures. So, assuming you meant that (like, say, building things out of this resin), good idea!

Psychic link? What you mean by swarm intelligence is unscientific bullshit that we would never put in the game. Thank you for your ideas, maybe you should make your own game where science takes a back seat to cool pseudo-biology.

@all: oh, and while I'm ragging on unrealistic stuff, I may as well say that I'm against the idea of Ascension stage, and figure the reward for finishing the game could just be debug powers or something. That's essentially what the ascension concept is, just debug powers wrapped in voodoo trans-trans-humanist Clarke's-3rd-law stuff. We'd be overreaching ourselves to claim that the particular bunch of god powers we design are the ones that a sufficiently-advanced society would have access to, when we exclude a bunch of other powers to do things that we could never possibly code into the game. For example, if our planetary model does not support planets turning into stars (sorry, Arthur C. Clarke), then the player won't be able to turn a planet into a star. If our game doesn't incorporate a full materials simulation under General Relativity (no matter how much you plead, we won't), then you could never build a black hole out of bricks, no matter how you try. Ascension powers, at most, would be debug powers, so it seems more reasonable to just say outright that you get debug powers.

How long do you think it will be till the microbe stage will be finished and work on the multicellular stage will be started.

Jupiter34 wrote:

How long do you think it will be till the microbe stage will be finished and work on the multicellular stage will be started.

At the rate that progression seems to be going, 1-2 years, maybe. If it speeds up (probably during a school break) it'll probably be finished a lot sooner. I dunno, though, I'm not a developer, I just follow the game's progression really closely.

moopli wrote:

@all: oh, and while I'm ragging on unrealistic stuff, I may as well say that I'm against the idea of Ascension stage, and figure the reward for finishing the game could just be debug powers or something. That's essentially what the ascension concept is, just debug powers wrapped in voodoo trans-trans-humanist Clarke's-3rd-law stuff. We'd be overreaching ourselves to claim that the particular bunch of god powers we design are the ones that a sufficiently-advanced society would have access to, when we exclude a bunch of other powers to do things that we could never possibly code into the game. For example, if our planetary model does not support planets turning into stars (sorry, Arthur C. Clarke), then the player won't be able to turn a planet into a star. If our game doesn't incorporate a full materials simulation under General Relativity (no matter how much you plead, we won't), then you could never build a black hole out of bricks, no matter how you try. Ascension powers, at most, would be debug powers, so it seems more reasonable to just say outright that you get debug powers.

While I'm mostly against scientifically unrealistic things in Thrive too, I like the idea of ascension and I always have. It's like going on a massive journey of epic proportions and then receiving a beachside villa to relax in for the rest of your life, without being bothered. Debug powers don't sound nearly as exciting without the other bit, to me. I dunno, just my 2 cents.

Even so, I would only be somewhat disappointed if ascension didn't make it into the "final" game.

@Moopli
You say that Ascension is essentially giving the player debug powers. Why not just label these God powers and have the stage named Ascension as planned? It just sounds a lot better and more rewarding than debug powers.

StealthStyle L wrote:

@Moopli
You say that Ascension is essentially giving the player debug powers. Why not just label these God powers and have the stage named Ascension as planned? It just sounds a lot better and more rewarding than debug powers.

Couldn't have said it better myself, +1'd.