Question about god mode

So, you've unlocked the asencion gate... but after going through, what will happern to your empire? Will you still be able to go and tell your civilization what to do as well as being able to create and destroy entire solar systems? I think it would be cool to use your godly powers to conquer the universe, but it might be too complex to be doing lots of things at once, for you and your computer.

I'm pretty sure that after you unlock and enter the ascension gate, you and your empire/civilization, just dissapear--poof--into an invisible, godlike being. You are able to alter the galaxy as you please with a wide array powers at your disposal. Basically you all unite, and become one, one user controlled, all-powerful being.

However, this is optional, so you can just keep expanding your empire across the galaxy. But.. say you already have more than one empire on one planet, because as I imagine you'd be at that stage by the time the Ascension gate was even invented. Well, I'm thinking you should keep your other civilizations if you've spread to other planets, and be able to mess around with them as well. ( )

Also, I'm not sure of this either; in fact, I don't quite recall this statement being made specifically by a person.. but when you choose to start a new game you have the option to switch into God Mode, mid-game, whenever you want. However, and I just made this part up, you're limited to only the planets you've discovered, until you're able to reach the stars by discovering space travel, whereupon you can just mess around with everything (and I mean everything).

So basically, you lose your empire in the save where you unlock the asencion gate, but in other savegames you can access it at any time, letting you win any war and dominate the galaxy in a matter of hours? Seems kinda strange that you can't be a god and have an empire in the game where you legitly unlocked it, but you can in any other random savegame.

Im wondering what happens when you ascend.


The main thing im wondering about is do you see other galactic civilizations rise and fall in god mode?

fredpie wrote:

So basically, you lose your empire in the save where you unlock the asencion gate, but in other savegames you can access it at any time, letting you win any war and dominate the galaxy in a matter of hours? Seems kinda strange that you can't be a god and have an empire in the game where you legitly unlocked it, but you can in any other random savegame.

Not quite what I meant, but you got the first bit right.

See, if you 'win' your first game, and unlock the ascension gate/God Mode, but later you decide to start another game, you can always switch to God Mode in that other game.

Basically you have powers in both game 1 and game 2. Only difference is, in game 2 God Mode isn't the default mode and you have to switch over to it to access it.

I'm not sure if you understand that, either, but I hope it's at least a bit clearer.

Whoa there! First off, there is no God Mode any more. The old idea of God Mode has turned into the God Tools. These tools can be accessed through any other modes at any other times. So, the mode that most closely resembles the old God Mode is Observer Mode with God Tools. God Tools are not unlocked all at once, but rather in sections through a number of "Godly Researches", which are basically the ultimate researches at the end of the Research Tree.

But you seem to want to know more about Ascension, so here we go: Ascension Gates will be a TO, which will need one or multiple Ascension Engine FPs (or Ascension "somethings", i'm not a fan of "Engines"). These TOs can be built by an SC or worker units, and once complete will serve as a kind of one way portal to godliness. When the first of your people goes through a working Ascension Gate, the God Tools panel will be unlocked. This panel can then be used however you see fit, in whatever mode you choose. YOU DO NOT LOSE YOUR CIVILIZATION. You can keep playing, but if you have high freedoms you will see many people choosing to join the stream of consciousness or whatever happens when you go through the gate. Because lets face it, immortality and omnipotence sounds pretty good. Anyways, the game continues as it always has, but now you can do ANYTHING. The God Tools are basically Sandbox tools. They make the universe your playground.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Whoa there! First off, there is no God Mode any more. The old idea of God Mode has turned into the God Tools. These tools can be accessed through any other modes at any other times. So, the mode that most closely resembles the old God Mode is Observer Mode with God Tools. God Tools are not unlocked all at once, but rather in sections through a number of "Godly Researches", which are basically the ultimate researches at the end of the Research Tree.

But you seem to want to know more about Ascension, so here we go: Ascension Gates will be a TO, which will need one or multiple Ascension Engine FPs (or Ascension "somethings", i'm not a fan of "Engines"). These TOs can be built by an SC or worker units, and once complete will serve as a kind of one way portal to godliness. When the first of your people goes through a working Ascension Gate, the God Tools panel will be unlocked. This panel can then be used however you see fit, in whatever mode you choose. YOU DO NOT LOSE YOUR CIVILIZATION. You can keep playing, but if you have high freedoms you will see many people choosing to join the stream of consciousness or whatever happens when you go through the gate. Because lets face it, immortality and omnipotence sounds pretty good. Anyways, the game continues as it always has, but now you can do ANYTHING. The God Tools are basically Sandbox tools. They make the universe your playground.

OK, thanks for that .I thought the other idea seemed kinda odd.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Whoa there! First off, there is no God Mode any more. The old idea of God Mode has turned into the God Tools.

[snip]

(Was going to post this yesterday but forgot)

Dear lord, how long have I been gone?

Well then what's the point of the Ascension gate, the one that was first meant to give you God Powers? You're just invisible and invincible, you can float around.. but you don't have any of those fancy powers? Oh, wait, you do. They're just separate, I see, but really, wouldn't it make more sense just to not use any powers in God Mode?

But wait.. what tech object or method are we going to use to obtain these God Tools? Or is the Ascension gate sort of a 2-in-1 thing?

Ah well, I suppose it's just one of those things I should just shut up and deal with. That is, given you don't feel like arguing with any of the above points right now.

Noitulove wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Whoa there! First off, there is no God Mode any more. The old idea of God Mode has turned into the God Tools.

[snip]

(Was going to post this yesterday but forgot)

Dear lord, how long have I been gone?

Well then what's the point of the Ascension gate, the one that was first meant to give you God Powers? You're just invisible and invincible, you can float around.. but you don't have any of those fancy powers? Oh, wait, you do. They're just separate, I see, but really, wouldn't it make more sense just to not use any powers in God Mode?

But wait.. what tech object or method are we going to use to obtain these God Tools? Or is the Ascension gate sort of a 2-in-1 thing?

Ah well, I suppose it's just one of those things I should just shut up and deal with. That is, given you don't feel like arguing with any of the above points right now.

The Ascension Gate allows you to use the God Tools. The God Tools themselves have to be unlocked through researches, which are generated with the same research generation method that the player has dealt with all along. Is this a trick question?

US_of_Alaska wrote:

The Ascension Gate allows you to use the God Tools. The God Tools themselves have to be unlocked through researches, which are generated with the same research generation method that the player has dealt with all along. Is this a trick question?

I'm not sure either. I'm just about as confused as you are.

So you get a few God Tools at a time, but get more as the Ascension Gate gets upgraded by researching?

A lot of problems here that I can't put my finger on. But they're mostly from a logical perspective, and not a gameplay perspective.

By the way, what does it do exactly? Last post you said it was going to unlock Observer Mode, but in this post you're saying it unlocks God Tools. If it's just going to give us God Tools, it shouldn't be called the Ascension gate. To ascend, as taken from my Webster dictionary (and thesaurus);

Quote :

1. to move upward: MOUNT, CLIMB 2. to succeed to: OCCUPY

Or.. are you saying, we're getting both. Not God Mode, just Observer Mode and the God Tools? So we don't have to be invisible and in the sky to incinerate people with oversized bolts of lightning?

I still don't get this.

This is how I see it:


Before ascension:

You can research godly researches, using the normal research tree. You would have to build some sort of machine that would then do the thing, ie. a godly manipulation machine, etc. for each 'range' of tools (we decided the 'ranges' somewhere, more than just manipulation). They are just as effective, but are limited by the laws of physics and so require lots of energy to work properly, and to work at all. They also will take time to prepare for use, and then need time to cool down after use. Building the machines in the first place will require huge amounts of resources, and will take years to be made, maybe centuries. The size of these incredible machines would probably mean constructing them in space, maybe even for them to stay out there.

After ascension:

You can just do it.


And how big will the ascension gate be? The amount of energy and programming needed to ascend would probably mean a huge machine.
Should the gate be planet size?
(Like a huge ring, it could make a planet pass through the central ring and every (sentient?) inhabitant ascends)

Can the NPC civilizations in the galaxy ascend?

caekdaemon wrote:

Can the NPC civilizations in the galaxy ascend?

They can build Ascension Gates but they won't use God Tools on you or anything. That would be plain cruel.

@Current Topic: Okay, maybe i haven't been clear enough. I am not confused. I have a clear picture of what happens with the Godly Researches and the Ascension Gate.

Godly Researches: These unlock separate sections of the God Tools Panel. Of course, without Ascension you would not be able to use them. (I actually like UTeen's idea of creating God Machines to use if Godly Researches predate Ascension in your species, and we need to explore that possibility further.)

Ascension: When the first of your nation's people go through the Ascension Gate, you will be able to access the God Tools Panel. It will also cut off all limits that are present in Observer Mode.

Does this make sense? Researches = Tools Unlocked, Ascension = Panel Unlocked. Basically, you need both to be able to use the tools. With only the Godly Researches you would have the tools but no way to use them (except through huge machines like UTeen proposed), and with only Ascension, you would be omnipresent but not omnipotent.