Caste Systems

the destribution of those social things should depend on how the culture is developing, the habits of sucessfull cultures d be copied (except if your governement made that not happen) , the society and effects. If you just suffered a climate catastrophe you get more willing to go green, the development in comunication. ideas dont have legs of their own, they need people or anything to carry them around.



this makes perfect sense to me

eumesmo wrote:

the destribution of those social things should depend on how the culture is developing, the habits of sucessfull cultures d be copied (except if your governement made that not happen) , the society and effects. If you just suffered a climate catastrophe you get more willing to go green, the development in comunication. ideas dont have legs of their own, they need people or anything to carry them around.



this makes perfect sense to me

Yup. They'd be chosen based on player actions. If you build your SCs large and sprawling, your culture ends up with that trait. If they have that trait, they're more likely to use personal transportation, if possible, because it's more conveinient.

what i meant was more of the type: the roman empire spread their culture because:
a- they had roads which helped it
b- they had a thriving culture

but yes, the mentality of large SC would differ from small populations and would eventually spread to them-

eumesmo wrote:

what i meant was more of the type: the roman empire spread their culture because:
a- they had roads which helped it
b- they had a thriving culture

but yes, the mentality of large SC would differ from small populations and would eventually spread to them-

My example was unrelated to yours.

The roman empire was not an innvasive culture, they were an invasive empire. None of their culture naturally spread, only through invasion.

i have to agree on that with you, but still it was a example i made up in the time an unuoctium atom decays

I think ethics can be merged into part of the cultural theme, no? This would clear up the Society Section for the Importance Sliders.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

I think ethics can be merged into part of the cultural theme, no? This would clear up the Society Section for the Importance Sliders.

Good plan. Ethics are more of a cultural thing anyway.

Tenebrarum wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

I think ethics can be merged into part of the cultural theme, no? This would clear up the Society Section for the Importance Sliders.

Good plan. Ethics are more of a cultural thing anyway.

That's what i figured.

Okay, let's get this thread back up and running so that i can whack a concept up in the wiki for Scio. Flowcharts. I like flowcharts. An easy GUI to work with, the player selects a new branch, then selects from a drop down list what training or actions happen, then they drag this out to match the time of the organism's life that they want it to go for. Each caste would have a separate flowchart, and for ease on the eyes only one flowchart can be expanded at any time. Kgo, turn this into a concept.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Okay, let's get this thread back up and running so that i can whack a concept up in the wiki for Scio. Flowcharts. I like flowcharts. An easy GUI to work with, the player selects a new branch, then selects from a drop down list what training or actions happen, then they drag this out to match the time of the organism's life that they want it to go for. Each caste would have a separate flowchart, and for ease on the eyes only one flowchart can be expanded at any time. Kgo, turn this into a concept.

so we're talking about polymorphism and growth progression within a species as castes right now? Good, but we need to differentiate between biological castes and societal castes. We need a different term for each.

~sciocont wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Okay, let's get this thread back up and running so that i can whack a concept up in the wiki for Scio. Flowcharts. I like flowcharts. An easy GUI to work with, the player selects a new branch, then selects from a drop down list what training or actions happen, then they drag this out to match the time of the organism's life that they want it to go for. Each caste would have a separate flowchart, and for ease on the eyes only one flowchart can be expanded at any time. Kgo, turn this into a concept.

so we're talking about polymorphism and growth progression within a species as castes right now? Good, but we need to differentiate between biological castes and societal castes. We need a different term for each.

Struggling. Maybe we should just call them classes, and have a viewable "Social Mobility" slider that shows whether someone is likely to become a different class from their parents. If the slider is at no social mobility, it is a caste system.

US_of_Alaska wrote:

~sciocont wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Okay, let's get this thread back up and running so that i can whack a concept up in the wiki for Scio. Flowcharts. I like flowcharts. An easy GUI to work with, the player selects a new branch, then selects from a drop down list what training or actions happen, then they drag this out to match the time of the organism's life that they want it to go for. Each caste would have a separate flowchart, and for ease on the eyes only one flowchart can be expanded at any time. Kgo, turn this into a concept.

so we're talking about polymorphism and growth progression within a species as castes right now? Good, but we need to differentiate between biological castes and societal castes. We need a different term for each.

Struggling. Maybe we should just call them classes, and have a viewable "Social Mobility" slider that shows whether someone is likely to become a different class from their parents. If the slider is at no social mobility, it is a caste system.

So you're talking about society stage? I'm confused.

~sciocont wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

~sciocont wrote:

US_of_Alaska wrote:

Okay, let's get this thread back up and running so that i can whack a concept up in the wiki for Scio. Flowcharts. I like flowcharts. An easy GUI to work with, the player selects a new branch, then selects from a drop down list what training or actions happen, then they drag this out to match the time of the organism's life that they want it to go for. Each caste would have a separate flowchart, and for ease on the eyes only one flowchart can be expanded at any time. Kgo, turn this into a concept.

so we're talking about polymorphism and growth progression within a species as castes right now? Good, but we need to differentiate between biological castes and societal castes. We need a different term for each.

Struggling. Maybe we should just call them classes, and have a viewable "Social Mobility" slider that shows whether someone is likely to become a different class from their parents. If the slider is at no social mobility, it is a caste system.

So you're talking about society stage? I'm confused.

Now I'm confused too!
Isn't the Nation Editor for the Society Stage in the first place, Scio? That's where this topic is, after all!

I'm willing to label it "class" for society and "caste" for biology. Sounds good.

IMPORTANT NOTE: In this case, the player should be given a fair degree of freedom. ALL different castes should spawn different classes for themselves however. This will be able to change, but only with immense time and effort, and possibly technology. Speaking as someone who is currently going from one caste to another, I can say with fair certainty that the breakdown of separate classes which are based on caste differences only ever seems to be able to be crossed if the caste itself can be crossed.

Contrast this with breakdown of classes based on ethnicity, where ethnicity can remain the same, but class breakdown can be attributed to widening empathetic ranges.

Tenebrarum wrote:

I'm willing to label it "class" for society and "caste" for biology. Sounds good.

IMPORTANT NOTE: In this case, the player should be given a fair degree of freedom. ALL different castes should spawn different classes for themselves however. This will be able to change, but only with immense time and effort, and possibly technology. Speaking as someone who is currently going from one caste to another, I can say with fair certainty that the breakdown of separate classes which are based on caste differences only ever seems to be able to be crossed if the caste itself can be crossed.

Contrast this with breakdown of classes based on ethnicity, where ethnicity can remain the same, but class breakdown can be attributed to widening empathetic ranges.

Ok. I'm glad that the terminology is now laid down, and that's a good idea to have castes automatically join different classes.

Okay, seems like classes are locked down. Return to the Cultural Themes and Traits Thread to finish off the rest of what we need to whack this thing on the wiki.