GamerXA - Caste and Class Editor

Not Editor. (well, not standalone) This system will be part of the OE sizing board and probably the culture editor. Otherwise this is completely approved.

~sciocont wrote:

Not Editor. (well, not standalone) This system will be part of the OE sizing board and probably the culture editor. Otherwise this is completely approved.

Well, genetic classes would be part of the OE (races, ethnicities, ect.). Other classes, like Peasant or Worker would be part of the Culture editor. Also in the Culture editor we should be able to choose the way thay the general public from any specific faction reacts to certain Genetic classes. (Examples: racism and segeregation)

Social things will be done in the CE, yes. Otherwise this Caste/class idea sounds good.

InvaderZim wrote:

~sciocont wrote:

Not Editor. (well, not standalone) This system will be part of the OE sizing board and probably the culture editor. Otherwise this is completely approved.

Well, genetic classes would be part of the OE (races, ethnicities, ect.). Other classes, like Peasant or Worker would be part of the Culture editor. Also in the Culture editor we should be able to choose the way thay the general public from any specific faction reacts to certain Genetic classes. (Examples: racism and segeregation)

I think that any species would react badly to being oppressed. The ones that are doing the oppressing, on the other hand, might even be happier.

I think this would be handled in the Behaviour Editor. Other races and anything that is at all different from the main species should be evolved as a separate species that can interbreed with the related Organisms.

If two Organisms have similar Caste structures and are genetically similar individuals of a particular class should be able to act as the same class from another Species Caste and Class Tree.

GamerXA wrote:

I think this would be handled in the Behaviour Editor. Other races and anything that is at all different from the main species should be evolved as a separate species that can interbreed with the related Organisms.

If two Organisms have similar Caste structures and are genetically similar individuals of a particular class should be able to act as the same class from another Species Caste and Class Tree.

No, things like that should be done in the Culture editor, because they are sociological.

It would be used for extremely diverse, but still interbreedable, subspecies. It would be used for Organisms such as Dogs, they can still interbreed, but they look very different from one another.

As long as we remember that some things in a "subspecies" (organ arrangement, skeletal structure, and muscle attatchment come to mind) can't realistically be changed.
Also, about opression... well, we brought up ants. I wouldn't say that ants are opressed. After all, your worker ant or bee is, while genetically female, an infertile, asexual being with no pension plan, no retirement, and no family life. Then again, ants aren't sentient. If they were, I doubt they'd all be entirely happy with the status quo. (Obviously the queen would be, but you know what they say about absolute power...)
In addition, I love that this plan allows for dimorphism. (Though I have to say that, biologically, I have a hard time imagining more than two separate genders... not that we need that much detail.)
Maybe we could have the races/subspecies thing connected to geographical location, or the nations themselves? Being spread out geographically is, after all, the quickest way for traditional natural selection to diverge a species' traits.

I really don't think more than two sexes would be efficient in evolution, but i suppose we're not really limiting that in the OE.

~sciocont wrote:

I really don't think more than two sexes would be efficient in evolution, but i suppose we're not really limiting that in the OE.

Not effecient but still advantageous under certain situations.

I personally prefer one sex that is still relient on sexual reproduction. That's just me though.

Now that I think of it, ants and bees and other colony insects practically have three genders: The female (queen) males (drones) and androgynous (workers... technically female when female is defined by lack of a y chromosome.)
It's advantageous for them, since they don't have to waste individuals with reproductive capability on dangerous tasks. But since one "gender" isn't involved in reproduction, it only sort of counts. I can't think of any advantages to needing three individuals' genetic information in order to produce. I'm sure someone could invent one, but....
This whole subject is begging for a tentacle joke.

Mysterious_Calligrapher wrote:

Now that I think of it, ants and bees and other colony insects practically have three genders: The female (queen) males (drones) and androgynous (workers... technically female when female is defined by lack of a y chromosome.)

This is covered by castes system. I'm sure it is laying somewhere around here, maybe even on the Wiki.

Commander Keen wrote:

Mysterious_Calligrapher wrote:

Now that I think of it, ants and bees and other colony insects practically have three genders: The female (queen) males (drones) and androgynous (workers... technically female when female is defined by lack of a y chromosome.)

This is covered by castes system. I'm sure it is laying somewhere around here, maybe even on the Wiki.

It's implemented in the OE Concept.

To my knowlege, scio, the Caste editor allows the player to select a sub group to be part of a caste by some genetic factor (whether it be gender or something else.) But creating a species that functioned like hive insects, with a queen and workers, with a huge portion of the population being genetically sterile is something that I'm pretty sure we haven't covered in it. I was thinking we'd have to have them create a third (fourth, fifth, whatever) gender which wasn't reproductively viable, then hop on over to the class editor and classify that gender as "workers" if we wanted to emulate ants.

Just clarifying. I assumed we wanted to keep major genetic variants in the OE and societal constraints in the Caste Editor.

Mysterious_Calligrapher wrote:

Just clarifying. I assumed we wanted to keep major genetic variants in the OE and societal constraints in the Caste Editor.

Directly quoting the OE concept:

"The "Caste" option will allow you to differentiate your creature between sexes and types of your creature (think:ants)"

GamerXA wrote:

I think this would be handled in the Behaviour Editor. Other races and anything that is at all different from the main species should be evolved as a separate species that can interbreed with the related Organisms.

If two Organisms have similar Caste structures and are genetically similar individuals of a particular class should be able to act as the same class from another Species Caste and Class Tree.

The definition of a species is all individuals that can breed with each other.

Actually the definition of a species is all organism that can reproduce and who's offspring can reproduce

Touche. But that still backs my argument, does it not?

would this editor cover that as well, or do we need another editor for that?

alduin2013 wrote:

would this editor cover that as well, or do we need another editor for that?

Indeed.

I quote, from the original post:

Quote :

• Grow (Yellow): With this line the Organism grows into another class at the age that was predefined in the line's settings.

Also, this is planned to be a section of the Organism Editor, not a standalone editor.

I just wanted to be sure that lifecyles are possible.

By castes I thought you meant group rankings. Such as matriarch, alpha male, alpha female, lower class, and moderate. I at first thought of that when I saw the post title

PTFace wrote:

Actually the definition of a species is all organism that can reproduce and who's offspring can reproduce

correction to your definition. An organism is any living thing that has tissue and organs and cells for multicellular organisms, for prokaryotes or single cell organisms just a cell. A species is any organism. Higher up is a population which is a group of one single species. Next is a community which is multiple organisms that interact. After that is an ecosystem, where living and nonliving factors interact. Next is a biome, where an ecosystem lies, and then a biosphere which is the entire planet. So keep in mind a species is just one organism in a group of other members of that species on one big biosphere. Did this help you?

PerfectOrganismil wrote:

PTFace wrote:

Actually the definition of a species is all organism that can reproduce and who's offspring can reproduce

correction to your definition. An organism is any living thing that has tissue and organs and cells for multicellular organisms, for prokaryotes or single cell organisms just a cell. A species is any organism. Higher up is a population which is a group of one single species. Next is a community which is multiple organisms that interact. After that is an ecosystem, where living and nonliving factors interact. Next is a biome, where an ecosystem lies, and then a biosphere which is the entire planet. So keep in mind a species is just one organism in a group of other members of that species on one big biosphere. Did this help you?

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