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PostSubject: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:19 am

The Cellular Editor concept:

Parts / Organelles:
  • Vesicle: Vesicles can be used to create vacuoles, peroxisomes, lysosomes, etc. The chemical inside can be determined as well as their size.
  • Cytoskeleton: The Cytoskeleton can be used to create a preset shape for the cell and also to join organelles together. It can be used to create Endoplasmic Reticuli, Golgi Bodies, Cytostomes and Undilopodia such as Cilia, Flagella and Psuedopods. They can attach to almost everything including the cell membrane and modified for length. The cell has several default cytoskeleton.
  • Motor Proteins: A special type of cytoskeleton that is used in flagella. This organelle / protein creates a propeller motion.
  • Nucleus: Nuclei can be modified by size and placed in almost any fashion.
  • Cisterna: Cisternae are disc-like organelles that can be attached together by Cytoskeleton to form Golgi Apparati and Endoplasmic Reticulum. They speed up the transfer of proteins across their surface.
  • Thylakoid: Photosynthesizing component. Can be adjusted to vary in what type of photosynthesis (purple sulphur, oxygenic, etc.). As far as we know these only ever evolved once on Earth, so they should be pretty difficult to get.
  • Polysacharride: Are thick ridged, wall-like components that can form a structure similar to a fence that can hold a cells structure. They can be used to create a Cell wall and form shells. The Thickness and Strength can be modified.
  • Pilus: Pili are used to share DNA between cells. These are used for sexual reproduction.
  • Cell Membrane: The Cell Membrane can be increased in length and modified in a properties window. The Cell Membrane can be specialised for cases such as mitochondrial cell membranes. The membrane can be extended and molded via cytoskeleton to create flagella and cilia.

The tools for mass modifications are similar to the tools for the OE, copy and paste parts.

Internalised symbiosis will be done via declaring prokaryote (without a nuclei) cells as existing inside the cell (this cannot be done with the in-gameplay editor and can only be added via engulfment in-game). The fitness calculations take into account the symbiotic organisms.

Reproduction will be handled via a fraction. This will determine the number of membrane nodes the parent wishes to give to the offspring. This number can go up to 1/2 (mitosis with sister cells). A cell's ability to reproduce is determined by the size of its membrane. Organelles (specifically nuclei and symbiotes) must be inside the daughter cell as it is split off, therefore the fraction can not be below the membrane size required to contain these organelles.

Cell movement uses three different methods: Undulation (like an Amoeba), Flagellation (via a flagella) and Cilia (cytoskeleton + short membrane sections).
  • Undulation is the default movement pattern where speed is determined by cytoskeleton density and membrane plasticity, size and a high ratio of membrane to volume. It is slow and irregular.
  • Flagellation results in a high speed cell which turns relatively slowly.
  • Cilia is regular and of medium speed. It relies on large number of well place cilia.

The Cell Membrane can be modified for thickness, plasticity, porousness and certain proteins which increase efficiency in areas of cell activity.

I have uploaded a Proof-of-Concept Prototype, it is incomplete and now outdated:
Thrive - Cellular Editor, GXA - Prototype


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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:19 pm

Should methods of eating be included? For example:

  • Taking the other cell's cytoplasm & membrane and adding it to your cells, basically absorbing.
  • Enclosing another cell, encasing it in a bubble inside your cell which is filled with digestive juices.


There will probably be words for these methods, but I don't think I know them...
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:40 pm

The methods a cell uses to get necessary particles are:
  • Osmosis: The Cell Membrane diffuses molecules across the Cell Membrane into the Cytoplasm.
  • Pinocytosis: The Cell membrane engulfs small particles into small Vesicles.
  • Phagocytosis: The Cell Membrane engulfs solid particles to form a Phagosome.

Other Creative Method might be thought of though.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:28 pm

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The methods a cell uses to get necessary particles are:
  • Osmosis: The Cell Membrane diffuses molecules across the Cell Membrane into the Cytoplasm.
  • Pinocytosis: The Cell membrane engulfs small particles into small Vesicles.
  • Phagocytosis: The Cell Membrane engulfs solid particles to form a Phagosome.

Other Creative Method might be thought of though.
Osmosis is only for water. Otherwise there is diffusion, and active transport for things like sugar molecules that are too big, and certain ions like potassium, sodium, and calcium.

I approve of this editor.

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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:59 pm

GamerXA wrote:
The methods a cell uses to get necessary particles are:
  • Osmosis: The Cell Membrane diffuses molecules across the Cell Membrane into the Cytoplasm.
  • Pinocytosis: The Cell membrane engulfs small particles into small Vesicles.
  • Phagocytosis: The Cell Membrane engulfs solid particles to form a Phagosome.

Other Creative Method might be thought of though.

Osmosis and Pinocytosis will be what I described.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:48 pm

Also, what about Mitochondria, or some equivalent? They are important for our cells to work.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:49 pm

I have been unable to think of how to incorporate symbiosis... Any suggestions anyone?
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:55 pm

Well I thought this little flash game had it pretty accurate. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/541743 We could take a few hints if we want.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:02 pm

It's a good game, but i'm not sure if it plays like we want our cell stage to play.

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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:56 am

I have edited the OP with a link to a Proof-of-Concept Prototype I have created for the Cellular Editor. It is incomplete though.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:18 pm

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I have edited the OP with a link to a Proof-of-Concept Prototype I have created for the Cellular Editor. It is incomplete though.
It was an interesting concept, but it doesn't really give the player much to work with. Like that little flash game someone found, it seems you focused on an ameboid cell, whereas there are many other cells to choose from, most of which are much more interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:37 pm

The Cytoskeleton is used to control the cell's shape by placing it in certain ways in the cell. Polysaccharides are also placed around the Cell Membrane to form a Cell Wall.

The Mouse Wheel is used to size the cytoskeleton and other organelles.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:59 pm

only other things to add are the golgi body, mitochondria, cytoplasm, and for the sake of plant/animal hybrids, add chloroplasts.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:00 pm

Those are accomplished by joining together multiple Cisternae with the Cytoskeleton. I still do not now how symbiosis will occur though.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:50 am

Wow. Should have checked this post before I posted elsewhere.

Just got done with wondering whether we'd get our organelles a la carte.
Hmm...
I say we remember our "attachments" such as cilia, flagella, etc. Also, some bacteria encyst themselves, so if we had an organelle that did that, rather than a complicated ulterior method, that might work.

Symbiosis? Are you talking about with a larger organism? Because we'd probably just make the microbe to do whatever function in the editor, then "incorporate" it into the creature/plant/coral or whatever.
Mitochondria might be a good place if people want to look at evolutionary/gameplay data, as in real life it provides power to the cell and stores a copy of maternal (mitochondrial) DNA.

Also, how are we getting Chloroplasts out of cysternae? They're pretty different ... I mean, the shapes are the same, and when adding Chloroplasts we'd really be adding a region stuffed with the things, but they're so different in function. I'd just put in the option "add chloroplasts" and watch the cell turn green. Or, another color, provided that we give them chromatophores.

I think that we can bend and stretch the cell's shape all we want, but it's optional organelles and other "instructions" that are going to make it different from all the other single-celled blobs out there.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:33 am

I didn't mean that chloroplasts are made with Cisternae. For symbiosis I meant with Organelles like the Mitochondria and Chloroplasts.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:43 am

Ok, I was confused by that.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:13 am

We need to work on this, it seems pretty good, we just need to figure out how you use it.

Firs things first- is it 2d or 3d? I'm going for 3d.

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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:32 pm

3 D. Cells are not made of paper.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:31 pm

3D will be difficult, but I vote for it anyway, for the sake of both gameplay and realism.

Hardest part here, as I said in another thread, will be sensory overlay.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:22 pm

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3D will be difficult, but I vote for it anyway, for the sake of both gameplay and realism.

Hardest part here, as I said in another thread, will be sensory overlay.

I suggested somewhere it could work like smell (but shorter range), based on chemicals being sent out by the cells. Could this be used, or has anyone got better ideas? (I admit the idea isn't great, as I said, it is based on smell, but a unique sensory overlay would be better)
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:29 pm

Tenebrarum wrote:
3D will be difficult, but I vote for it anyway, for the sake of both gameplay and realism.

Hardest part here, as I said in another thread, will be sensory overlay.
Agreed. Cells don't have very good perception of light or vibration, so it's really difficult for us to do sensory overlay for them.

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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:28 pm

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Tenebrarum wrote:
3D will be difficult, but I vote for it anyway, for the sake of both gameplay and realism.

Hardest part here, as I said in another thread, will be sensory overlay.
Agreed. Cells don't have very good perception of light or vibration, so it's really difficult for us to do sensory overlay for them.
Yup. Especially considering how annoying it would be if we just removed the sensory overlay and than plopped it back on later down the line.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:35 pm

Tenebrarum wrote:
~sciocont wrote:
Tenebrarum wrote:
3D will be difficult, but I vote for it anyway, for the sake of both gameplay and realism.

Hardest part here, as I said in another thread, will be sensory overlay.
Agreed. Cells don't have very good perception of light or vibration, so it's really difficult for us to do sensory overlay for them.
Yup. Especially considering how annoying it would be if we just removed the sensory overlay and than plopped it back on later down the line.



So cell is going to be 3D? Cool.
That means the controls should be up & down = scrolling, forwards & backwards = directional buttons, just like in multi-cellular, right? That's good news.
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PostSubject: Re: GamerXA - Cellular Editor   Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:03 pm

The Uteen wrote:
I suggested somewhere it could work like smell (but shorter range), based on chemicals being sent out by the cells. Could this be used, or has anyone got better ideas? (I admit the idea isn't great, as I said, it is based on smell, but a unique sensory overlay would be better)

Cell stimuli include chemicals, (mostly sensing where conditions are hostile) temperatures, light (some more than others - photosynthesizing types would seek light, others would not) and not a whole lot else. If we blend that all together, it would be pretty realistic. The chemical thing really isn't that much like smell, but you're very right in saying that chemicals should be incorporated, Uteen.
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